How to fix the Southern Rail dispute?

[KTF]

Conductor (are they not 'guards' now?) strike next week as someone forgot to send the RMT an invite to the talks:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38674600

[p1stonhead]

KTF said:

Conductor (are they not 'guards' now?) strike next week as someone forgot to send the RMT an invite to the talks:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38674600

This is just shambolic.

[Robertj21a]

KTF said:

Conductor (are they not 'guards' now?) strike next week as someone forgot to send the RMT an invite to the talks:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38674600

I think they were specifically excluded from the talks, presumably so that ASLEF could make some progress.

[Stedman]

Nik da Greek said:

tight5 said:

dodgy dealings

As we pretty much exactly said some time ago... http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... For me this is categoric proof that the Government and the rail companies and all layers in between have all along been complicit in a greater agenda than merely removing expensive levels of training from customer-facing staff. They knew all along this would lead to industrial disputes. It was what they wanted, in fact

He is a nasty, duplicitous piece of work who drummed a lot of this up. Drivers on £60k a year, a 3 day week and no clause to work weekends, allegedly. I'll remember about that when i'm finished my Saturday turn at 2am on Sunday and back in at 4-5am on Monday next week.

Edited by Stedman on Thursday 19th January 17:39

[alangla]

And it's settled apparently - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38846696
Any clues as to what made ASLEF settle?

[Nik da Greek]

alangla said:

And it's settled apparently - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38846696
Any clues as to what made ASLEF settle?

Long lunches and a company bar tab, usually

[legzr1]

Nik da Greek said:

Long lunches and a company bar tab, usually

Meeeooowwwww.


'Grapevine' suggests OBS to retain safety-critical title and no train to depart without an OBS.

I hope safety critical -vs- safety trained has been dealt with and SR can get back to running their exemplary service free of industrial action....

[Nik da Greek]

legzr1 said:

Nik da Greek said:

Long lunches and a company bar tab, usually

Meeeooowwwww.

That was tongue-in cheek. Honest

legzr1 said:

SR can get back to running their exemplary service free of industrial action....

I fking hope not, I'm fed up to the back teeth with signal-to-signal following the windy clowns who don't seem to understand the concept of there being two more power notches past Notch 2

[frankenstein12]

alangla said:

And it's settled apparently - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38846696
Any clues as to what made ASLEF settle?

At a guess...Money.

[legzr1]

frankenstein12 said:

At a guess...Money.

Yes.

An extra £14,000 p.a, reduction to 29 hours/week, triple time for o/t and a 15 year guarantee of employment extended to 20 once documents to leave any trade union are signed.


We can all guess

[Robertj21a]

legzr1 said:

Yes.

An extra £14,000 p.a, reduction to 29 hours/week, triple time for o/t and a 15 year guarantee of employment extended to 20 once documents to leave any trade union are signed.


We can all guess

I would have thought the 29 was a bit high.....

[legzr1]

Robertj21a said:

I would have thought the 29 was a bit high.....

Have your own guess then.

[Robertj21a]

According to the Daily Telegraph......


The deal agreed by Aslef is understood to include upgrades to CCTV in drivers’ cabs, an indemnity package for drivers who have “operational incidents”, assurances on job security and an agreement that any extension of the driver-only operated train programme must be agreed by Aslef.

[Stedman]

I wouldn't bother reading any of the speculation for the moment

Nik da Greek said:

I fking hope not, I'm fed up to the back teeth with signal-to-signal following the windy clowns who don't seem to understand the concept of there being two more power notches past Notch 2

Hey, they could use notch 4 (and then SPAD across a junction) - Up to you!

[Cold]

The proposed resolution still has to be put to a vote by Aslef's members so until the Fat Controller Lady sings it's not a done deal yet, but fingers crossed.
RMT weren't included in these talks and their dispute rumbles on.

[Robertj21a]

Apparently, the Agreement to be put before the ASLEF members includes a commitment from Southern to maintain a 2:1 ratio of the 'OBS' (On Board Supervisor) staff to the running turns, but with a fairly lengthy list of 'exceptional circumstances' when a train can still run without an OBS on board. There's probably not a great deal that ASLEF could have realistically ever achieved over and above this, given the government support that exists for Southern 'behind the scenes'.
The RMT were not included in the talks and their dispute continues.

[Cold]

It looks like Aslef union members aren't too happy about the deal and may well vote against it. Oh dear.
Guardian link

[legzr1]

I don't blame any driver for voting against that 'deal'.

It's going to take some gentle persuasion to get members to agree to a deal that, to all intents, is the deal that caused the action in the first place (although Aslef note it was all about imposition).

No three line whip in this democracy

[RemyMartin81D]

Was speaking to a Southern Driver last night in the mess room.

He is certainly not voting for it and is against and apparently the whole Redhill depot feels the same.

I can see how this will go...

[Stedman]

He may feel differently after a big meeting ASLEF has this evening. Regardless, the guards are not coming back.