How to fix the Southern Rail dispute?

[KTF]

What happens now? Everyone gets back round the table and negotiates a new deal that is pretty much the same but slightly different to the one they just rejected?

[Robertj21a]

KTF said:

What happens now? Everyone gets back round the table and negotiates a new deal that is pretty much the same but slightly different to the one they just rejected?

Package up much the same content but in a different order. I'm sure the 27% that didn't vote could now sway an acceptance.

[Nik da Greek]

Robertj21a said:

Package up much the same content but in a different order. I'm sure the 27% that didn't vote could now sway an acceptance.

Don't bet on it. The ASLEF refuses to acknowledge that we live in a day and age when you can even vote for the government of the country without ever leaving your own home. To vote in an ASLEF process you have to attend the branch in person and cast a physical vote. Straight away that precludes 33% of the electorate, who will be working on-shift at the time. Then take out all the others who've just finished a night turn that day, live miles away and don't really fancy travelling all the way back in to Brighton, etc etc

[Cold]

Could we conclude that ASLEF have little regard for the self-loading cargo?

[legzr1]

Robertj21a said:

ASLEF members have voted to turn down the agreement proposed in the meeting between their representatives and Southern management.

Maybe ASLEF members ARE as bothered as most people thought.

Funny that...

[tight5]

Nik da Greek said:

Don't bet on it. The ASLEF refuses to acknowledge that we live in a day and age when you can even vote for the government of the country without ever leaving your own home. To vote in an ASLEF process you have to attend the branch in person and cast a physical vote. Straight away that precludes 33% of the electorate, who will be working on-shift at the time. Then take out all the others who've just finished a night turn that day, live miles away and don't really fancy travelling all the way back in to Brighton, etc etc

Erm, no.
Postal ballot.

[Nik da Greek]

Yeah, sorry, I was talking bks then I was thinking of the way in which LLC reps are usually elected. By their mates

[tight5]

No probs (from an LLC rep )

[Nik da Greek]

tight5 said:

No probs (from an LLC rep )

It's nice to have mates

[Stedman]

Nik da Greek said:

Don't bet on it. The ASLEF refuses to acknowledge that we live in a day and age when you can even vote for the government of the country without ever leaving your own home. To vote in an ASLEF process you have to attend the branch in person and cast a physical vote. Straight away that precludes 33% of the electorate, who will be working on-shift at the time. Then take out all the others who've just finished a night turn that day, live miles away and don't really fancy travelling all the way back in to Brighton, etc etc

As has already been said - bks

[Robertj21a]

ASLEF members have voted to accept the latest offer from Southern.

[KTF]

I imagine the 28.5% pay rise over 5 years helped allay their fears over 'safety'.

[Chrisgr31]

KTF said:

I imagine the 28.5% pay rise over 5 years helped allay their fears over 'safety'.

It will have been the tighter rules around exceptional circumstances. Do know of the drivers are not happy with DOO but realists and know they have to do it.

[frankenstein12]

KTF said:

I imagine the 28.5% pay rise over 5 years helped allay their fears over 'safety'.

Indeed. That's what it always boils down to with the rail staff. Money. Fear not they will be on strike again soon and will have to be given an even bigger bribe to do their job that already pays them way more than its worth.

[legzr1]

RMT press release.

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-responds-to-driver...

Second paragraph echoes what I've heard over the past few months.


Absolute shambles.

[legzr1]

frankenstein12 said:

Indeed. That's what it always boils down to with the rail staff. Money. Fear not they will be on strike again soon and will have to be given an even bigger bribe to do their job that already pays them way more than its worth.

I expect you'll be applying for a job if you think you're up to it?

[legzr1]

anonymous said:

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Only Aslef members balloted know the answer...

anonymous said:

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Agreed.

[p1stonhead]

KTF said:

I imagine the 28.5% pay rise over 5 years helped allay their fears over 'safety'.

Does seem a tad bizarre that this is part of the deal if it was all about staffing numbers on trains.....

[Robertj21a]

legzr1 said:

RMT press release.

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-responds-to-driver...

Second paragraph echoes what I've heard over the past few months.


Absolute shambles.

Not sure why it's a shambles ?

Having read that paragraph a couple of times it seems to all be legal - or is the RMT suggesting that the Courts are biased ?

[jamoor]

It's amazing what the lack of competition in a marketplace and a service not run for the public benefit can do.