XH558 - VTTS Stitch Up

[Riley Blue]

brenflys777 said:

I used to donate to VTS. I stopped when I became aware that some people managing the project who I thought were volunteer enthusiasts were receiving significant incomes.

It was wonderful to see the Vulcan airborne, but I resent the lack of accountability.

Likewise. Joined the club, went to the shows, bought the goodies and helped 'fill the buckets' but the lack of transparency and accountability were unacceptable.

[kurt535]

I bailed out of supporting it years ago.

Every other week was a financial crisis and i got bored being asked for more cash.

Poorly managed from beginning to end and I do wonder if OEM engineering support was prematurely withdrawn due to concerns over the management team of the aircraft.

I do, sadly agree with those here who say scrap it and donate cash to Just Jane getting airborne again.

Or, do a deal and sell it to the Yanks who have no problem getting a B-29 up after decades on a bombing range.....

[JeremyH5]

Those claiming lack of accountability should take a look at the huge amount of detail in the published accounts of Company number 04478686 "The Vulcan to the Sky Trust" (exemption granted for not using the word "Limited" in the company name.

See https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0447868...

2015 39 pages
2014 37 pages
2013 33 pages
2012 30 pages

[ChemicalChaos]

kurt535 said:

Or, do a deal and sell it to the Yanks who have no problem getting a B-29 up after decades on a bombing range.....

Piston warbird restoration vs cold war jets is like the difference between restoring a Morris Minor and a Bentley Turbo R

[aeropilot]

kurt535 said:

Poorly managed from beginning to end and I do wonder if OEM engineering support was prematurely withdrawn due to concerns over the management team of the aircraft.

There are rumours circulating to that effect.....

kurt535 said:

Or, do a deal and sell it to the Yanks who have no problem getting a B-29 up after decades on a bombing range.....

Septics wouldn't be interested, they aren't even interested (or have the knowledge) to maintain the few static Vulcans over there, let alone a flying one!
They can get a B-29 back in the air, as there is the public interest in one their own, as well as industry knowledge of them in abundance.

[kurt535]

ChemicalChaos said:

kurt535 said:

Or, do a deal and sell it to the Yanks who have no problem getting a B-29 up after decades on a bombing range.....

Piston warbird restoration vs cold war jets is like the difference between restoring a Morris Minor and a Bentley Turbo R

Yes and no. less working parts to go wrong on a jet but don't disagree vulcan has miles and miles of pipes in it.

[aeropilot]

kurt535 said:

ChemicalChaos said:

kurt535 said:

Or, do a deal and sell it to the Yanks who have no problem getting a B-29 up after decades on a bombing range.....

Piston warbird restoration vs cold war jets is like the difference between restoring a Morris Minor and a Bentley Turbo R

Yes and no. less working parts to go wrong on a jet but don't disagree vulcan has miles and miles of pipes in it.

Less working parts on a jet....you're 'avin a 'larf!!

There's a reason the Vulcan (and Buccaneer, Lightning, etc) are classified as complex by the CAA, and its not just the extra piping!!

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

kurt535 said:

Yes and no. less working parts to go wrong on a jet but don't disagree vulcan has miles and miles of pipes in it.

haha - this reads like something you could add to the Classic from the Mrs's thread

[kurt535]

aeropilot said:

kurt535 said:

ChemicalChaos said:

kurt535 said:

Or, do a deal and sell it to the Yanks who have no problem getting a B-29 up after decades on a bombing range.....

Piston warbird restoration vs cold war jets is like the difference between restoring a Morris Minor and a Bentley Turbo R

Yes and no. less working parts to go wrong on a jet but don't disagree vulcan has miles and miles of pipes in it.

Less working parts on a jet....you're 'avin a 'larf!!

There's a reason the Vulcan (and Buccaneer, Lightning, etc) are classified as complex by the CAA, and its not just the extra piping!!

many moons ago, was part of a JP group. engine was easier to look after and more reliable than the 0320's i was more used to flying. don't disagree they are complex at all but fundamentally a jet engine has less working parts to go wrong vs a prop.

[Lurking Lawyer]

kurt535 said:

fundamentally a jet engine has less working parts to go wrong vs a prop.

Fewer!

(Sorry - I couldn't help myself!)

[RATATTAK]

The Vulcan's hanger was open tonight ... no sign of Vulcan just a couple of small planes and the oil spill plane


Where is she now ?

[DrDeAtH]

558, the Canberra and the supermarine swift are all in hangar 1. This is a bonded storage facility which affords no public access.

[RATATTAK]

DrDeAtH said:

558, the Canberra and the supermarine swift are all in hangar 1. This is a bonded storage facility which affords no public access.

ah ok - so what's the number of the hanger she was in last year ?

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

3.

What was, in the old days, the Dominie Squadron hangar.

[RATATTAK]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

3.

What was, in the old days, the Dominie Squadron hangar.

that's the one I was looking at then

[aeropilot]

kurt535 said:

aeropilot said:

kurt535 said:

ChemicalChaos said:

kurt535 said:

Or, do a deal and sell it to the Yanks who have no problem getting a B-29 up after decades on a bombing range.....

Piston warbird restoration vs cold war jets is like the difference between restoring a Morris Minor and a Bentley Turbo R

Yes and no. less working parts to go wrong on a jet but don't disagree vulcan has miles and miles of pipes in it.

Less working parts on a jet....you're 'avin a 'larf!!

There's a reason the Vulcan (and Buccaneer, Lightning, etc) are classified as complex by the CAA, and its not just the extra piping!!

many moons ago, was part of a JP group. engine was easier to look after and more reliable than the 0320's i was more used to flying. don't disagree they are complex at all but fundamentally a jet engine has less working parts to go wrong vs a prop.

There's more to a vintage jet than just the engine!
Jets such as the Vulcan have PFCU's, and other more complex electro-hydraulic ancillary systems and components not to mention avionics, ejector seats, fuel systems...etc.,etc.,etc.,etc...
A piston warbird has a complex (but still quite simple) piston engine, and wires and pulleys for the flying controls, an antiquated fuel system and that's about it. The support systems needed to keep a vintage piston warbird in the air is substantially less than a similar vintage jet designed a decade or two later.

[PAUL500]

Does Dr No have a daytime job?

What is he a doctor in?

What salary has he been pulling from the fund and for how long, and what salary is he still currently pulling from it?

I imagine this is on public record with it being a charity and I am sure his detractors have looked at such in fine detail.

Just being nosy really and wondering if he was a saviour or a snake oil salesmen for the project

[Dr Jekyll]

PAUL500 said:

Does Dr No have a daytime job?

What is he a doctor in?

What salary has he been pulling from the fund and for how long, and what salary is he still currently pulling from it?

I imagine this is on public record with it being a charity and I am sure his detractors have looked at such in fine detail.

Just being nosy really and wondering if he was a saviour or a snake oil salesmen for the project

His doctorate is in nuclear physics. His salary was about £70K, not sure what it is now but I believe running the trust is still his full time job.

[Kitchski]

Dr Jekyll said:

His doctorate is in nuclear physics. His salary was about £70K, not sure what it is now but I believe running the trust is still his full time job.

Even if he's reduced it to £50k, it looks pretty shifty when you consider they fought hard to raise £100k. Half of it would go in his pocket!

[mcdjl]

Kitchski said:

Dr Jekyll said:

His doctorate is in nuclear physics. His salary was about £70K, not sure what it is now but I believe running the trust is still his full time job.

Even if he's reduced it to £50k, it looks pretty shifty when you consider they fought hard to raise £100k. Half of it would go in his pocket!

No it won't. Thats just to cover to March. In April the next round of begging will start.