XH558 - VTTS Stitch Up
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To be fair you could see this happening all along but people keep believing what VTTS are saying.
There were a few of us that used to get put down for saying how badly run VTTS was run, it’s nice to see people finally realising it’s the case. Sadly though there are those who just can’t see it and no doubt wasted thousands of ££ supporting a project which has no real future.
Take all your money elsewhere and invest in some other project like the people’s mosquitto for instance.
There were a few of us that used to get put down for saying how badly run VTTS was run, it’s nice to see people finally realising it’s the case. Sadly though there are those who just can’t see it and no doubt wasted thousands of ££ supporting a project which has no real future.
Take all your money elsewhere and invest in some other project like the people’s mosquitto for instance.
ecsrobin said:
To be fair you could see this happening all along but people keep believing what VTTS are saying.
There were a few of us that used to get put down for saying how badly run VTTS was run, it’s nice to see people finally realising it’s the case. Sadly though there are those who just can’t see it and no doubt wasted thousands of ££ supporting a project which has no real future.
There were a few of us that used to get put down for saying how badly run VTTS was run, it’s nice to see people finally realising it’s the case. Sadly though there are those who just can’t see it and no doubt wasted thousands of ££ supporting a project which has no real future.
ecsrobin said:
Take all your money elsewhere and invest in some other project like the people’s mosquitto for instance.
That's even more un-realistic than the '558 situation!
NX611's return to the air is the most sensible place for anyone to put their donations. Its realistically achievable and is currently being carefully planned and executed.
Lurking Lawyer said:
aeropilot said:
That's even more un-realistic than the '558 situation!
(I'm not disagreeing - I know next to nothing about the project, just that it's out there and like a lot of other people I'd quite like to see a Mossie flying again)
It reportedly cost Jerry Yagen about $7m to get his FB.26 into the air and there was enough substantial parts of KA114 still extant to actually look like a pile of Mosquito bits, and so the parts find was just achievable but still not easy. There is a very finite amount of available Mossie parts left, and the people that have them, want a lot of money for them. Yagen also didn't have to worry about the extra cost of certification requirements for new build required by the CAA for UK registration.
Essentially, this project is going to have to raise £1m per annum ever year for the next 6-7 years to stand a chance of happening, all the while without there being a lot to show for it to many of the people donating that perhaps can't understand the process.
Its not impossible, its only money, but........IMHO, unless they get a BIG donation to really kick start it, or be able to buy Glyn Powell's own project and parts stock, it will fizzle out in the coming years.
aeropilot said:
That's even more un-realistic than the '558 situation!
NX611's return to the air is the most sensible place for anyone to put their donations. Its realistically achievable and is currently being carefully planned and executed.
Yep you’re probably right. I don’t know much about either project but I believe you’re right in saying NX611 has the best chance of being airworthy.
However I still don’t think we’ll see just jane flying but every time I see a report they appear to be closer to their aim.
ecsrobin said:
aeropilot said:
That's even more un-realistic than the '558 situation!
NX611's return to the air is the most sensible place for anyone to put their donations. Its realistically achievable and is currently being carefully planned and executed.
However I still don’t think we’ll see just jane flying but every time I see a report they appear to be closer to their aim.
The Canadians have heavily hinted that they raise the funds to fly Vera back across the Atlantic again once JJ is back in the air for the chance to fly all 3 Lancs together.
No reason why JJ couldn't also do the reverse and do a tour of Canada/North America with Vera, as the BBMF will never be allowed to do so.
BBMF is also restricted as to how far they can cross the channel for events as well, so JJ could earn some nice appearance fees in further afield European events.
I wouldn't mind a small bet we might see her in the air by 2020/1.
Regards JJ, I was told 3 to 5 years and 3 million quid needed.
Saw her at EK while stripped and the moving surfaces all had tags suggesting 'unairworthy', She needs a lot of work, complete strip down and at present they are raising the money via fast taxiing.
I also got told that they don't want anyone chipping in with large donations as they want JJ to be theirs and not have any 'share holder' suggest any ideas or having a claim on which direction they should take.
Regards the tin triangle, they 'vtts' get worse with each announcement I read and just wish people would open their eyes and donate to a much worthier cause, 558 won't ever be seen in the sky ever again and that is pretty much fact whereas the chance of us having two lancs (a 3rd if VeRA) visits again is imo very worthy.
And like someone else has said 'having bought 4x zero hour Merlins' does show they are serious about getting her in the air
Saw her at EK while stripped and the moving surfaces all had tags suggesting 'unairworthy', She needs a lot of work, complete strip down and at present they are raising the money via fast taxiing.
I also got told that they don't want anyone chipping in with large donations as they want JJ to be theirs and not have any 'share holder' suggest any ideas or having a claim on which direction they should take.
Regards the tin triangle, they 'vtts' get worse with each announcement I read and just wish people would open their eyes and donate to a much worthier cause, 558 won't ever be seen in the sky ever again and that is pretty much fact whereas the chance of us having two lancs (a 3rd if VeRA) visits again is imo very worthy.
And like someone else has said 'having bought 4x zero hour Merlins' does show they are serious about getting her in the air
Let's not forget the Shackleton WR963, either!
Poor Rich and his dad have had a terrible time recently with some very small minded people people repeatedly trying to sabotage the project, but she is steadily improving despite the limitations of outside storage and they are determined to see her back in the air
Poor Rich and his dad have had a terrible time recently with some very small minded people people repeatedly trying to sabotage the project, but she is steadily improving despite the limitations of outside storage and they are determined to see her back in the air
Riley Blue said:
ecsrobin said:
And yet fools will still pay it.
It reminds of them scams from people claiming to be from Microsoft. I’m surprised it’s not been on watchdog yet.
But they're limited edition, one of a kind, never to be repeated, individually numbered 1 to 558 - how can you resist...?It reminds of them scams from people claiming to be from Microsoft. I’m surprised it’s not been on watchdog yet.
Riley Blue said:
ecsrobin said:
And yet fools will still pay it.
It reminds of them scams from people claiming to be from Microsoft. I’m surprised it’s not been on watchdog yet.
But they're limited edition, one of a kind, never to be repeated, individually numbered 1 to 558 - how can you resist...?It reminds of them scams from people claiming to be from Microsoft. I’m surprised it’s not been on watchdog yet.
ecsrobin said:
Riley Blue said:
ecsrobin said:
And yet fools will still pay it.
It reminds of them scams from people claiming to be from Microsoft. I’m surprised it’s not been on watchdog yet.
But they're limited edition, one of a kind, never to be repeated, individually numbered 1 to 558 - how can you resist...?It reminds of them scams from people claiming to be from Microsoft. I’m surprised it’s not been on watchdog yet.
What airworthy Vulcan are they talking about
RoverP6B said:
Meanwhile, XL426 is toasty warm and dry in her new hangar, with a nice shiny new end cap on the No2 engine...
...which rather suggests that a working airport CAN be a viable home for a live Vulcan. Just not Finningley!
New end caps on no2 and 3... No4 was repaired. Just no1 to get done now........which rather suggests that a working airport CAN be a viable home for a live Vulcan. Just not Finningley!
gazapc said:
Even if they get an instant cash injection to fully fund a hanger tomorrow, surely it will take 12 months minimum to get it designed, planning approved and the thing built. Likely longer as they now have to raise the cash for it.
If the new hanger were a storage warehouse then in principle it would not require planning: https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/commo... would it?There are pop-up temporary hanger-like structures that can be constructed quickly and cheaply too - are they specifically forbidden at airports?
Just putting up a building to cover the birds need not have cost a vast amount at all, need it?
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