XH558 - VTTS Stitch Up

[Kringle]

DrDeAtH said:

VTTS were the real reason behind why technical support was pulled. They tried to dictate to RR and Marshall's what was expected of them...

Understandably the support was pulled.

That's a bold thing to say, is there any meat to this or is it Spotters Waffle?

[DrDeAtH]

Kringle said:

That's a bold thing to say, is there any meat to this or is it Spotters Waffle?

I've heard this from a few sources
Not all facebook waffle

[Rude-boy]

DrDeAtH said:

Kringle said:

That's a bold thing to say, is there any meat to this or is it Spotters Waffle?

I've heard this from a few sources
Not all facebook waffle

To be honest when the head of a (by most standards) 10 bob charity is taking a salary greater than that which would make an MEP blush to admit there are obviously entitlement issues involved. When those are in play then there are egos. If VTTS has managed to fall out with almost every single other party who could have helped them then it would not be too far to assume that there could well be validity in the claim that they also pissed off RR and others...

[fatboy69]

Kringle said:

DrDeAtH said:

VTTS were the real reason behind why technical support was pulled. They tried to dictate to RR and Marshall's what was expected of them...

Understandably the support was pulled.

That's a bold thing to say, is there any meat to this or is it Spotters Waffle?

Well known that VTTS were the main reason for tech support being withdrawn.

Like most other things they managed to balls it up.

Now that the 'cash cow' is shortly to go into 'storage' where I wonder will the money come from too pay certain people's salaries?

The way the backers of 558 have been treated is nothing short of appalling & i still find it hard to believe that VTTS did not make alternative arrangements as soon as they realised tha the lease would not be renewed.

I see that VTTS have not answered the question as to where exactly 558 will be stored or what the future holds for her.

[williamp]

when you talk about "politics" at Bruntingthorpe, what do you mean? Central government/local authority which cant be overcome, or Dave lent Pete his spanner and when he returned it it had paint on it so Doug, Nige and Phil decided Pete can only use whitworth, not imperial until he buys some more biscuits type of politics??

[Kitchski]

williamp said:

when you talk about "politics" at Bruntingthorpe, what do you mean? Central government/local authority which cant be overcome, or Dave lent Pete his spanner and when he returned it it had paint on it so Doug, Nige and Phil decided Pete can only use whitworth, not imperial until he buys some more biscuits type of politics??

Can't be that bad between them. They have a VTTS tent at the CWJ fast taxi days, and in 2011/2012 (can't remember which) XH558 was actually there as an exhibit. It's the only time I've ever seen it take off in the flesh, but the runway is so long there that they barely need to give it any throttle and we were too far behind it to get a howl

[spitfire-ian]

Kitchski said:

Can't be that bad between them. They have a VTTS tent at the CWJ fast taxi days, and in 2011/2012 (can't remember which) XH558 was actually there as an exhibit. It's the only time I've ever seen it take off in the flesh, but the runway is so long there that they barely need to give it any throttle and we were too far behind it to get a howl

Indeed. 2011 was the year.

[aeropilot]

fatboy69 said:

Kringle said:

DrDeAtH said:

VTTS were the real reason behind why technical support was pulled. They tried to dictate to RR and Marshall's what was expected of them...

Understandably the support was pulled.

That's a bold thing to say, is there any meat to this or is it Spotters Waffle?

Well known that VTTS were the main reason for tech support being withdrawn.

Like most other things they managed to balls it up.

Not to mention the six figure sum owed to Marshall's......

[perdu]

I'm very sad about this, it really does look as if it is the end of an error








I'll cherish the rather wonderful memories including seeing her passing Silverstone in the distance during the Classic Cars weekend when I'm sure they could have simply passed close enough for a sighting...

[Riley Blue]

perdu said:

I'm very sad about this, it really does look as if it is the end of an error




I'll cherish the rather wonderful memories including seeing her passing Silverstone in the distance during the Classic Cars weekend when I'm sure they could have simply passed close enough for a sighting...

I'll always cherish the day of its final tour when, after carefully checking the published route, thousands of people in north Derbyshire (including me) waited in excited anticipation while it passed by, out of sight and miles off course so it could undertake yet another photo shoot to further increase the vast VTTS library of air-to-air shots.

[MrAndyW]

Slightly ironic, that the newsletter has 2 links to videos of her flying. Thats the closest alot of people got !
All shrouded in secrecy, Guy Martin,got a flight and he has done bugger all before or since to help fund it.

I joined the RAF and worked on Vulcans including 558.
Wanted to take my grandson to her last flight, To say "We we're there".
But no too busy getting all their name and faces on TV, to let the real supporters know whats going on.
Such a shame to to see it all falling apart.Great lads on the shop floor.
Lions led by donkeys comes to mind.

[williamp]

Riley Blue said:

perdu said:

I'm very sad about this, it really does look as if it is the end of an error




I'll cherish the rather wonderful memories including seeing her passing Silverstone in the distance during the Classic Cars weekend when I'm sure they could have simply passed close enough for a sighting...

I'll always cherish the day of its final tour when, after carefully checking the published route, thousands of people in north Derbyshire (including me) waited in excited anticipation while it passed by, out of sight and miles off course so it could undertake yet another photo shoot to further increase the vast VTTS library of air-to-air shots.

Yes I hope its the end of an error too...

I missed it at East Midlands airpot as, you say they diverted north and lots of us lost out. Still, they'll be another chance I'm sure...

[spitfire-ian]

MrAndyW said:

, Guy Martin,got a flight

No he didn't.

[MrAndyW]

Sorry Ian, you are indeed correct, he flew along side,

[Alias218]

Assuming she was permitted a one off flight, I wonder if the logistical challenges of moving her to Southend next to XL426 could be overcome. That would be a sight - two live Vulcans side by side. The VRT do fantastic work on 426 despite being exposed to the elements. Pooling the resources of the VRT and VTTS surely would make for a more effective use of funds and materials?

[johnnyreggae]

As noted re Cosford landing in the unlikely event there's a one-off flight the runway need not be that long - on a visit to RAF Halton I was told they brought in Vulcans for dismantling on their 4000 ft grass strip http://www.fightercontrol.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.ph...

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

johnnyreggae said:

in the unlikely event there's a one-off flight the runway need not be that long

That was when they were operated by the RAF. You'd never get CAA approval for something like that.

[DrDeAtH]

Alias218 said:

Assuming she was permitted a one off flight, I wonder if the logistical challenges of moving her to Southend next to XL426 could be overcome. That would be a sight - two live Vulcans side by side. The VRT do fantastic work on 426 despite being exposed to the elements. Pooling the resources of the VRT and VTTS surely would make for a more effective use of funds and materials?

558 needs to be hangared, it's one of the HLF conditions.
Hangars are not cheap items to have...
Leaving 558 outside would kill her off quicker, as the airframe is completely dry due to being stored away from the elements.

Edited by DrDeAtH on Saturday 21st January 20:19

[ChemicalChaos]

Surely being available to the public is also an HLF condition? IN which case they're about to be broken anyway

[thehappyotter]

johnnyreggae said:

As noted re Cosford landing in the unlikely event there's a one-off flight the runway need not be that long - on a visit to RAF Halton I was told they brought in Vulcans for dismantling on their 4000 ft grass strip http://www.fightercontrol.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.ph...

They got one in on the grass at RAF Newton too.