TfW - £2bn to re-open Carmarthen & Bangor lines
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Wales should have a North to South link, i think with railways its a fallacy to count every bean and expect immediate ROI. They need to be built as a public service and the Welsh Government have got to waste our money somewhere. They're running as good a counter argument to devolution as any politician could come up with.
And the ticket cost doesn't matter, the votes theyre after wont be paying.
And the ticket cost doesn't matter, the votes theyre after wont be paying.
CLK-GTR said:
Evanivitch said:
But at the cost of £8Bn (probably well north of 10Bn now) for 7.5km?
Well the GDP of London is getting on for 100x the size of South West Wales.When Wales can't even get electrification passed Cardiff and has 150 year old railway tunnel that is in a constant state of flood under the Severn, and a road bridge that closes on a gusty day, I think it's reasonable to ask the question when everyone else gets some pie.
Evanivitch said:
And the answer to correcting that is to continue the inequality? If London wants to pay for London infrastructure, crack on.
When Wales can't even get electrification passed Cardiff and has 150 year old railway tunnel that is in a constant state of flood under the Severn, and a road bridge that closes on a gusty day, I think it's reasonable to ask the question when everyone else gets some pie.
I said at the very beginning i dont think public transport should be subject to the same bean counter approach as other projects. That's how we've ended up with a two runway Heathrow, no HS2 and crap roads. When Wales can't even get electrification passed Cardiff and has 150 year old railway tunnel that is in a constant state of flood under the Severn, and a road bridge that closes on a gusty day, I think it's reasonable to ask the question when everyone else gets some pie.
If there are enough people in the Aberystwyth area who would use it, build it.
CLK-GTR said:
I said at the very beginning i dont think public transport should be subject to the same bean counter approach as other projects. That's how we've ended up with a two runway Heathrow, no HS2 and crap roads.
If there are enough people in the Aberystwyth area who would use it, build it.
But that's the problem in itself, we've a century of over capacity into London which has allowed it to prosper thanks to the Victorian building era and relative lack of cuts in the 20th century.If there are enough people in the Aberystwyth area who would use it, build it.
The rest of the country is required to grow before the infrastructure exists, and wait 10-20 years of insufficient infrastructure before it's "fixed"?
Evanivitch said:
But that's the problem in itself, we've a century of over capacity into London which has allowed it to prosper thanks to the Victorian building era and relative lack of cuts in the 20th century.
The rest of the country is required to grow before the infrastructure exists, and wait 10-20 years of insufficient infrastructure before it's "fixed"?
The blame goes both ways. London for favouring London, and the rest of the country for not capitalising on what they had and moving their economies away from heavy industry when the writing was on the wall. To compound the misery they continue to vote in Labour governments who get little from Westminster and often waste what they do get. I'm not sure where the country goes from here to be honest, but building transport infrastructure will rarely be a bad thing.The rest of the country is required to grow before the infrastructure exists, and wait 10-20 years of insufficient infrastructure before it's "fixed"?
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