Powerboats beat sailing boats
Discussion
tank slapper said:
MOTORVATOR said:
Interesting comment as the colregs do not give any vessel 'right of way' over another as is generally quoted. There are many yachtsmen that would do well to actually read and understand the regs before relying on them.
True, there isn't a right of way as such. The responsibilty to avoid collision would fall on both vessels, but the colregs do state that a power driven vessel should keep out of the way of a sailing vessel. Sailing vessels are required to keep out of the way of vessels restricted in their ability to manoever - anywhere a laser is likely to come in to proximity with a tanker this is likely to be the case.It would be a dumb skipper who put his boat in the way of a large ship and expected them to move out of the way though. Often they won't be seen until its too late. eg the Ouzo.
ETA - no implication that the skipper of Ouzo was dumb, just an example of how easily things can go wrong.
Edited by tank slapper on Monday 16th July 00:33
Regardless of the stand to position though the responsibility to avoid collision stil remains with both vessels in all cases. That implies no right of a yottie to alter course in front of a powerboat underway, something we regularly see occur with chaps who don't really understand the regs.
Once a vessel has seen the other he should make the decision as to whether he is or isn't the stand to vessel and stay with his course unless navigation dictates otherwise not just because he'd like to put a tack in, catch a slightly different tidal stream or take advantage of a wind shift.
In close quarters both vessels should make their intended course and passing position clear to each other by means of signaling and again we regularly see this requirement ignored due to an overiding sense of I have the 'right of way'.
Just to be clear before I get mauled, I speak from a position of a person who enjoys power, sail, skiing, racing and pretty well all forms of being on the water and have always believed that all vessels have a similar right to use the water and expect a courtesy from each other.
Nic Jones said:
Silly silly boats, is the rumour of them outrunning 18 footers downwind true?
Toxic...agree the main is silly...the blue one is not mine, the roach on it is far too big. The main on my one (yellow) is as big as you'd ever want to go...possibly slightly too big anyway for big breeze.Nic...I doubt it very much. They are fast downwind but not that fast. They just jump around too much and are too short, the 18s will get to near 30 knots downwind!
MOTORVATOR said:
The other situation is where a sailing vessel is overtaking a power vessel. In that situation the power vessel is the stand to vessel. It's surprising how many Yachtsmen don't believe it.
Regardless of the stand to position though the responsibility to avoid collision stil remains with both vessels in all cases. That implies no right of a yottie to alter course in front of a powerboat underway, something we regularly see occur with chaps who don't really understand the regs.
Once a vessel has seen the other he should make the decision as to whether he is or isn't the stand to vessel and stay with his course unless navigation dictates otherwise not just because he'd like to put a tack in, catch a slightly different tidal stream or take advantage of a wind shift.
In close quarters both vessels should make their intended course and passing position clear to each other by means of signaling and again we regularly see this requirement ignored due to an overiding sense of I have the 'right of way'.
Just to be clear before I get mauled, I speak from a position of a person who enjoys power, sail, skiing, racing and pretty well all forms of being on the water and have always believed that all vessels have a similar right to use the water and expect a courtesy from each other.
It is suprising the number of yachtsmen who also believe that because they have their sails up they are a sailing vessel despite having their engine running, when in fact they are classed as a motor vessel and should have a cone up to indicate it.Regardless of the stand to position though the responsibility to avoid collision stil remains with both vessels in all cases. That implies no right of a yottie to alter course in front of a powerboat underway, something we regularly see occur with chaps who don't really understand the regs.
Once a vessel has seen the other he should make the decision as to whether he is or isn't the stand to vessel and stay with his course unless navigation dictates otherwise not just because he'd like to put a tack in, catch a slightly different tidal stream or take advantage of a wind shift.
In close quarters both vessels should make their intended course and passing position clear to each other by means of signaling and again we regularly see this requirement ignored due to an overiding sense of I have the 'right of way'.
Just to be clear before I get mauled, I speak from a position of a person who enjoys power, sail, skiing, racing and pretty well all forms of being on the water and have always believed that all vessels have a similar right to use the water and expect a courtesy from each other.
I think that it is unusual to have to insist on priority if you are keeping a good lookout and plan your course appropriately. Generally I find that making an obvious course change is enough to signal intent to other vessels.
JJ 170 said:
i reguarly go and play on a donzi 38 zr
it does 98mph and it will give you a bigger hit than anything i have sailed...
sailing boats (30ft plus) are great when you are retired as you have more time to use them!
in the meantime... SPEED
Good Man, Glad to see im not alone in thinking this! what year is the donzi?it does 98mph and it will give you a bigger hit than anything i have sailed...
sailing boats (30ft plus) are great when you are retired as you have more time to use them!
in the meantime... SPEED
You can't beat the buzz of a dinghy you on the plane when you're on the edge of control and getting rather damp. Having sailed 505's and a few more modern trapeze boats I can't believe I'd ever get the same thrill out of a power boat unless it was seriously fast. have to admit though my power boat experiences are mainly limited to ribs and other sailing club rescue boats.
There is something about relying on something as unpredictable as the weather to provide your motion and the satisfaction when you can get the best out of it.
great pic of the Cherub by the way. Learnt to sail in an old one, great boats if a little mad (although not as mad as the 12's)
There is something about relying on something as unpredictable as the weather to provide your motion and the satisfaction when you can get the best out of it.
great pic of the Cherub by the way. Learnt to sail in an old one, great boats if a little mad (although not as mad as the 12's)
JJ 170 said:
spring 2006,
2 x custom built superchared melin blocks dyno'd @800hp each
bloody amazing
what do you play in?
As cigarette dealers we are hoping to get a 42x Cigarette over here asap or a top gun unlimited with 850sci or the big boy 1075sci dry sumps. Hoping to get one asap. like ive said before ready for demos then. hoping to up the donzi/cigarette poker run image in the uk by starting a new club for boats like ours, again asap. just waiting on my boat!!!! where do you norm play?2 x custom built superchared melin blocks dyno'd @800hp each
bloody amazing
what do you play in?
joe@eliteyachtco" Target="_blank">class="forumQuoter">joe@eliteyachtco said:
JJ 170 said:
spring 2006,
2 x custom built superchared melin blocks dyno'd @800hp each
bloody amazing
what do you play in?
As cigarette dealers we are hoping to get a 42x Cigarette over here asap or a top gun unlimited with 850sci or the big boy 1075sci dry sumps. Hoping to get one asap. like ive said before ready for demos then. hoping to up the donzi/cigarette poker run image in the uk by starting a new club for boats like ours, again asap. just waiting on my boat!!!! where do you norm play?2 x custom built superchared melin blocks dyno'd @800hp each
bloody amazing
what do you play in?
the boat is kept in brighton on an airberth. so play from there to iow normally.
will be at P1 etc in august. will you have your boat then?
Maybe this will help.
The Baltimore Sun said:
Baltimore Sun, 9/18/2000 - from a column by Dan Rodricks: "Will There Be A III ?"
Temporary Insanity II Impaled on Channel Marker
Near Bay Bridge Marina on Kent Island: Just before 2 a.m., a 1992, 38-ft. Fountain power boat slammed into a fixed, channel marker, ripping a 17-ft. gash in the forward hull & becoming impaled on the steel piling holding the channel marker. A passenger suffered a broken arm & lacerations; a passing boater rescued the two men. DNR police cited the skipper, who "claimed to have been blinded by the lights of a sailboat", for negligence, traveling at an unsafe speed, & failure to maintain a proper lookout.
An alert couple, M.&F. Lobach, happened to visit the Bay Bridge Marina when Temporary Insanity II was being hauled, after the impalement. They reported the boat as a 42-ft. Fountain, otherwise their story matched the Sun's above. The Mariner of September 22, 2000, p.11 reproduced their pictures of Temporary Insanity II.
Temporary Insanity II Impaled on Channel Marker
Near Bay Bridge Marina on Kent Island: Just before 2 a.m., a 1992, 38-ft. Fountain power boat slammed into a fixed, channel marker, ripping a 17-ft. gash in the forward hull & becoming impaled on the steel piling holding the channel marker. A passenger suffered a broken arm & lacerations; a passing boater rescued the two men. DNR police cited the skipper, who "claimed to have been blinded by the lights of a sailboat", for negligence, traveling at an unsafe speed, & failure to maintain a proper lookout.
An alert couple, M.&F. Lobach, happened to visit the Bay Bridge Marina when Temporary Insanity II was being hauled, after the impalement. They reported the boat as a 42-ft. Fountain, otherwise their story matched the Sun's above. The Mariner of September 22, 2000, p.11 reproduced their pictures of Temporary Insanity II.
I do power and sail.
One thing to the power boys , yes i used to live run and work on them some cable of 35 knots with 4000hp ( 200 galls per hour )and fast cigarette style boats capable of silly speeds . But that is nowhere near the adrenalin rush of being out in the some of the biggest sea's in europe in a force 8 , 12 men on deck with same rush with massive amount of power with no brakes , Spinnaker up and if you get it slightly wrong you are all but dead . ( In a time and place only commercially powers vessels would be ).
Remember Ellen MacArthur on top gear , how good she was , driving a sail boat in these conditions at big pace on the edge -you need to be as sharp as a good rally driver. Oh but as said without brakes / to a point accelerator and no emergency services .
When you do well the buzz from your other crew members makes this a experience that you will never even get close to on a powerboat.
Especially if you win events Antigua Classics with 44 crew and beat the J's , quite a good crew party shall we say .
One thing to the power boys , yes i used to live run and work on them some cable of 35 knots with 4000hp ( 200 galls per hour )and fast cigarette style boats capable of silly speeds . But that is nowhere near the adrenalin rush of being out in the some of the biggest sea's in europe in a force 8 , 12 men on deck with same rush with massive amount of power with no brakes , Spinnaker up and if you get it slightly wrong you are all but dead . ( In a time and place only commercially powers vessels would be ).
Remember Ellen MacArthur on top gear , how good she was , driving a sail boat in these conditions at big pace on the edge -you need to be as sharp as a good rally driver. Oh but as said without brakes / to a point accelerator and no emergency services .
When you do well the buzz from your other crew members makes this a experience that you will never even get close to on a powerboat.
Especially if you win events Antigua Classics with 44 crew and beat the J's , quite a good crew party shall we say .
Edited by Rum Runner on Monday 6th August 22:05
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