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Wedding photo shows the underside, not the topAnd the video linked in the article would suggest the wedding picture is probably true 
MartG said:
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DamienB said:
Shuttleworth Military Pageant at Old Warden today...
So that confirms that the wedding photo is at the very least "mirrored"DamienB said:
Shuttleworth Military Pageant at Old Warden today...
It was incredible to see it and hear the howl. My OH has never seen it before and he was stunned by it. My 14 year old Stepson barely looked up from his phone.I watched it with tears in my eyes but I am not entirely sure why. I am not interested in planes that much but this really moved me. Got some fantastic footage of her vertical climb.
Loved it and so glad I saw her again before she is grounded. Time for another donation....
Edited to add: That picture is stunning, possibly the best I have ever seen of her. I would like a proper print of that....
Edited by Kateg28 on Monday 6th July 11:35
Have to echo your views Kateg! seeing the mighty V 500ft agl flying up the crowd line was amazing!!! Did you notice how everyone fell silent?! Sticking a bomber on its wingtip so low as well is as good as it gets.
Only the British would ground an aircraft of this calibre. And before the augments on her flying time remaining etc surface, the aircraft is man made and all parts can be man made again (plus the various airframes up and down the country who would surely help swapping bits!).
Only the British would ground an aircraft of this calibre. And before the augments on her flying time remaining etc surface, the aircraft is man made and all parts can be man made again (plus the various airframes up and down the country who would surely help swapping bits!).
kurt535 said:
And before the augments on her flying time remaining etc surface, the aircraft is man made and all parts can be man made again (plus the various airframes up and down the country who would surely help swapping bits!).
That's not the issue, it's the withdraw of design authority support from BAe/RR/Marshalls and without that, as a complex category aircraft the CAA will not issue a Permit to Fly......(even if the bits were remade, and in the case of the engines, that is simply not feasible)You can say that a million times but people truly cannot get it into their heads that an aeroplane cannot fly without the design authority being held by a body of some sort. If no entity is willing to step in to continue the technical support - it doesn't matter how many spare parts exist or how many hours are left on the airframe - the aircraft won't be flying
For me looking in from the outside, this is something I am not aware of unless it is mentioned. There is obviously a hell of a lot behind the scenes that will keep a plane flying, for the most of us it is the inflight entertainment or leg room that will be the issue, we do not see this part of the world. It would be interesting to find a good rundown somewhere.
It was a bit galling to watch the Avro Anson take to the skies immediately afterwards as that is a 1936 plane whereas the Vulcan is significantly newer but I am not an expert in planes, in fact I sometimes struggle to understand how they stay up 
I would rather she was grounded and remained for us to view (and hear) than she crashed destroying her and potentially killing people.
I am still buzzing from the 10 minutes of her display and I will always have that.
I would rather she was grounded and remained for us to view (and hear) than she crashed destroying her and potentially killing people.
I am still buzzing from the 10 minutes of her display and I will always have that.
Kateg28 said:
It was a bit galling to watch the Avro Anson take to the skies immediately afterwards as that is a 1936 plane whereas the Vulcan is significantly newer
As Eric says, the newer they are the more complex they are. The Vulcan is the only 'complex' category aircraft to ever operate on a CAA Permit To Fly, and will probably be the only one ever likely to be as well.''That's not the issue, it's the withdraw of design authority support from BAe/RR/Marshalls and without that, as a complex category aircraft the CAA will not issue a Permit to Fly......(even if the bits were remade, and in the case of the engines, that is simply not feasible)''
The simple issue is if the CAA said we can only fly on odd days of the week every rule loving pilot would comply. Hence no protest at the Vulcan getting grounded! I'd wager its seen as a cost by Marshalls and BAe who feel the p/l can't or won't support it. I'm still up for taking oh, 2% off our foreign aid and putting the cash into British heritage projects - just like XH558!
Ledaig, forgot to add.....stunning stunning pictures! And I thought my naked eye was close up and personal but clearly I need a bionic 600mm upgrade
The simple issue is if the CAA said we can only fly on odd days of the week every rule loving pilot would comply. Hence no protest at the Vulcan getting grounded! I'd wager its seen as a cost by Marshalls and BAe who feel the p/l can't or won't support it. I'm still up for taking oh, 2% off our foreign aid and putting the cash into British heritage projects - just like XH558!
Ledaig, forgot to add.....stunning stunning pictures! And I thought my naked eye was close up and personal but clearly I need a bionic 600mm upgrade
Edited by kurt535 on Tuesday 7th July 22:13
There's plenty of modern jet engines that could be (de)rated to the same performance levels as the Olympus units fitted to the Vulcan. Modern fueling systems could even generate the same power characteristics as the standard engines. Bit of ballast where required to equal out on the original units weight, along with some intake airflow modelling and away you go! Maybe a couple of hours test flying over the Wash, just to be safe, and the job's a goodun!
If only...
If only...
Yeah, just strap a couple of alternative jet engines to the fuselage. How hard can it be? 
Edited in case it wasn't clear that the was meant to be sarcasm aimed at those who think its as simple as just swapping in some alternative engines.
Edited in case it wasn't clear that the
was meant to be sarcasm aimed at those who think its as simple as just swapping in some alternative engines.Edited by Tyre Tread on Wednesday 8th July 13:49
It wouldn't really be a Vulcan if it had different engines as the sound and character of those Olympus engines is one of the defining character of the aircraft.
Also, installing different engines in as large an aeroplane as this would require a whole new certification process, which would take at least a year of tests and would cost a packet - and would also require the various design authorities to go along with it. I doubt if any of them would.
Also, installing different engines in as large an aeroplane as this would require a whole new certification process, which would take at least a year of tests and would cost a packet - and would also require the various design authorities to go along with it. I doubt if any of them would.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8HblYdUUcg
Replica I know, but it sure as hell ain't flying with Jumo engines ;-)
Not saying it'd be easy utilising a modern Olympus replacement, just be easier than getting Olympus overhauled ;-)
Replica I know, but it sure as hell ain't flying with Jumo engines ;-)
Not saying it'd be easy utilising a modern Olympus replacement, just be easier than getting Olympus overhauled ;-)
mrloudly said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8HblYdUUcg
Replica I know, but it sure as hell ain't flying with Jumo engines ;-)
Paul Allen's real Me262 will be soon be flying with real Jumo's Replica I know, but it sure as hell ain't flying with Jumo engines ;-)
And, citing the replica Me262 with modern engines isn't a good example either, as the CAA wouldn't allow one of those to have a Permit either (as they didn't with the Ash-82 engine FW190 replicas)
mrloudly said:
Not saying it'd be easy utilising a modern Olympus replacement, just be easier than getting Olympus overhauled ;-)
It wouldn't be easier as it wouldn't be able to fly under a Permit to Fly....see above.
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