Discussion
Riley Blue said:
I think the comment was more concerned with the financial aspect, i.e. the alledged purchase of a fleet of Range Rovers and huge salaries; both things I'd be interested to see evidence of.
If that is the case, that's definitely not what people are expecting their money to be spent on.Edited by Riley Blue on Tuesday 15th September 17:37
ThunderSpook said:
Putting a photo shoot at Beachy Head above public displays at Goodwood and Old Sarum would be my example.
I don't see how they have. The map below was the planned route, so photoshoot, Goodwood, then looping back up the country. I'm guessing the route for the least fuel. Their feed on facebook states that the photoshoot with the skyvan was complete and they were on route to Goodwood. Then the fuel leak news starts. Just bad luck. Again.
RoverP6B said:
Dr Pleming is paid an annual salary of £75k for a start.
I haven't been into the Trust's accounts, I'm only citing that which seems to be common knowledge on the aviation rumour network, but if I were you I'd be putting your Vulcan pennies toward XL426 and XM655...
I think you need to have more factual data than that, even if it was true I would say the hours, days years put in by key team members probably relates to below minimum wage for all their efforts. If we want people to take on these roles, they have to have a wage to pay their bills,. Why does that surprise anyone? I haven't been into the Trust's accounts, I'm only citing that which seems to be common knowledge on the aviation rumour network, but if I were you I'd be putting your Vulcan pennies toward XL426 and XM655...
As for private events over public displays, those people at the private events have funded the project more than the public displays, it only natural they will try to honour their commitment to those people. Without the fuel issue they would have done both private and public.
Sadly those of us down south have had a tough time of it this year with weather issues, cancellations of shoreham, goodwood and old Sarum. I haven't moaned on an Internet forum though, I got my arse in gear and travelled to see 558 elsewhere.
Edited by SMB on Tuesday 15th September 21:42
RoverP6B said:
Dr Pleming is paid an annual salary of £75k for a start.
I haven't been into the Trust's accounts, I'm only citing that which seems to be common knowledge on the aviation rumour network, but if I were you I'd be putting your Vulcan pennies toward XL426 and XM655...
I think you need to have more factual data than that, even if it was true I would say the hours, days years put in by key team members probably relates to below minimum wage for all their efforts. If we want people to take on these roles, they have to have a wage to pay their bills,. Why does that surprise anyone? I haven't been into the Trust's accounts, I'm only citing that which seems to be common knowledge on the aviation rumour network, but if I were you I'd be putting your Vulcan pennies toward XL426 and XM655...
As for private events over public displays, those people at the private events have funded the project more than the public displays, it only natural they will try to honour their commitment to those people. Without the fuel issue they would have done both private and public.
Sadly those of us down south have had a tough time of it this year with weather issues, cancellations of shoreham, goodwood and old Sarum. I haven't moaned on an Internet forum though, I got my arse in gear and travelled to see 558 elsewhere.
Edited by SMB on Tuesday 15th September 22:01
Once the aircraft is actually in the air it presumably doesnt really matter where it goes? The bit that strains it is presumably take off and landing. A photoshoot at Beachy Head is iconic and for a plane like the Vulcan will have only taken it a few minutes off its route to Goodwood.
It might do private events but its doing those because they are being paid to or because its a reward for those who have funded the aircraft which seems deserved. If the team are driving new Range Rovers I would guess that they are given, or at a great discount, from the manufacturer due to the marketing benefits. I saw an official Rugby World Cup Range Rover the other day, does that mean the World Cup are wasting money no? They are sponsoring them..
A £75k salary for a chief executive is a fairly small salary, whilst there will be an element of doing the job as you want to the staff do need rewarding at a competitive level.
It might do private events but its doing those because they are being paid to or because its a reward for those who have funded the aircraft which seems deserved. If the team are driving new Range Rovers I would guess that they are given, or at a great discount, from the manufacturer due to the marketing benefits. I saw an official Rugby World Cup Range Rover the other day, does that mean the World Cup are wasting money no? They are sponsoring them..
A £75k salary for a chief executive is a fairly small salary, whilst there will be an element of doing the job as you want to the staff do need rewarding at a competitive level.
RoverP6B said:
Dr Pleming is paid an annual salary of £75k for a start.
I haven't been into the Trust's accounts, I'm only citing that which seems to be common knowledge on the aviation rumour network, but if I were you I'd be putting your Vulcan pennies toward XL426 and XM655...
Do you work for free?I haven't been into the Trust's accounts, I'm only citing that which seems to be common knowledge on the aviation rumour network, but if I were you I'd be putting your Vulcan pennies toward XL426 and XM655...
I certainly wouldn't. 10 years plus out of his life as a full time job, it isn't something you can just do as a hobby.
There's a culture in this country of not giving the role of manager the respect it's due. I'm sure there have been plenty of mistakes along the way but the results speak for themselves.
There's a culture in this country of not giving the role of manager the respect it's due. I'm sure there have been plenty of mistakes along the way but the results speak for themselves.
I have put into the fund in recent years and gladly so.
The way people just went quiet (ish) for this one, en mass. Then a bit of cheering and clapping.
Vulcan take off by Jeff, on Flickr
The way people just went quiet (ish) for this one, en mass. Then a bit of cheering and clapping.
Vulcan take off by Jeff, on FlickrRoverP6B said:
Dr Pleming is paid an annual salary of £75k for a start.
I haven't been into the Trust's accounts, I'm only citing that which seems to be common knowledge on the aviation rumour network, but if I were you I'd be putting your Vulcan pennies toward XL426 and XM655...
If I were you, I'd stop making unsubstantiated accusations on a public forum.I haven't been into the Trust's accounts, I'm only citing that which seems to be common knowledge on the aviation rumour network, but if I were you I'd be putting your Vulcan pennies toward XL426 and XM655...
RoverP6B said:
Dr Pleming is paid an annual salary of £75k for a start.
I haven't been into the Trust's accounts, I'm only citing that which seems to be common knowledge on the aviation rumour network, but if I were you I'd be putting your Vulcan pennies toward XL426 and XM655...
Dr. Pleming has given so much in getting the Vulcan back into the air, years of work which has gone unseen by the general public. I haven't been into the Trust's accounts, I'm only citing that which seems to be common knowledge on the aviation rumour network, but if I were you I'd be putting your Vulcan pennies toward XL426 and XM655...
I saw him speak at Hendon in a Q&A session. Someone asked if now that he had got the Vulcan back in the air, what about Concorde or a Harrier. Dr. Pleming replied that he didn't think the current Mrs. Pleming would stand for it. The next question was, had there been a previous Mrs. Pleming during the Vulcan project? To which Dr. Pleming replied "oh yes"
I shook his hand and thanked him for all he had done, and for the joy he had brought to so many people. He seemed genuinely surprised, yet grateful.
75K? What he has put into the project was worth many, many times that amount. Thank God he came along when he did. I cannot see many people with his earning potential doing the same for 75k and a great part of his life.
Southport Air Show on Saturday - XH558 in formation with the Red Arrows for the last time:
http://www.vulcantothesky.org/news/700/82/BREAKING...
http://www.vulcantothesky.org/news/700/82/BREAKING...
Riley Blue said:
Southport Air Show on Saturday - XH558 in formation with the Red Arrows for the last time:
http://www.vulcantothesky.org/news/700/82/BREAKING...
Will do fly past of the Runcorn Bridge and LJLA en route to Southport.http://www.vulcantothesky.org/news/700/82/BREAKING...
"Chief Vulcan pilot Martin Withers has so kindly agreed to my suggestion to do a flypast over the Widnes area in memory of Roy Chadwick who designed so many famous and successful aircraft for the Avro Company. Many people consider him as the finest Aeronautical Designer/Engineer of the 20th Century, if not ever! He was appointed Chief Designer of Avro in 1928 and promoted to Director in 1936, a role he held till his untimely death in an aircraft accident at Woodford, Cheshire. He is especially famous for designing the Lancaster and helping Barnes Wallis with his development of the 'Bouncing Bomb', and modifying Lancasters to allow them to deliver the special bombs. Roy also instigated the idea of a revolutionary delta-shaped four-engined jet bomber - which of course became the Vulcan, and even saw its possible role as a passenger design - the Concorde! What a man!
Roy was born at Marsh Hall Farm, Farnworth, Widnes in 1893 - so it seemed appropriate that the likely last flight of the Vulcan in the North West should pay a special tribute to Roy. The "Vulcan to the Sky Trust" and Captain Martin Withers agreed and so at 13.40 on Saturday the last flying Vulcan will fly over the Widnes-Runcorn Bridge and dedicate the flight to our 'local' hero Roy Chadwick. (Because of new flight restrictions the Vulcan will not be able to pass over Farnworth).
After passing over the Bridge the Vulcan will overfly 27/09 at LJLA and then turn out lowish up the Mersey to rendevous with the Red Arrows on its way towards Southport to display at 14.05."
Oldred_V8S said:
RoverP6B said:
Dr Pleming is paid an annual salary of £75k for a start.
I haven't been into the Trust's accounts, I'm only citing that which seems to be common knowledge on the aviation rumour network, but if I were you I'd be putting your Vulcan pennies toward XL426 and XM655...
Dr. Pleming has given so much in getting the Vulcan back into the air, years of work which has gone unseen by the general public. I haven't been into the Trust's accounts, I'm only citing that which seems to be common knowledge on the aviation rumour network, but if I were you I'd be putting your Vulcan pennies toward XL426 and XM655...
I saw him speak at Hendon in a Q&A session. Someone asked if now that he had got the Vulcan back in the air, what about Concorde or a Harrier. Dr. Pleming replied that he didn't think the current Mrs. Pleming would stand for it. The next question was, had there been a previous Mrs. Pleming during the Vulcan project? To which Dr. Pleming replied "oh yes"
I shook his hand and thanked him for all he had done, and for the joy he had brought to so many people. He seemed genuinely surprised, yet grateful.
75K? What he has put into the project was worth many, many times that amount. Thank God he came along when he did. I cannot see many people with his earning potential doing the same for 75k and a great part of his life.
Runcorn flypast cancelled:
"Our apologies, but the planned flypast of Vulcan XH558 over the Runcorn and Widnes Bridge which was due to take place on Saturday 19 September has now been cancelled.
This is due to concerns regarding public safety and the very strong likelihood that there will be extreme traffic congestion in the local area.
This was planned to honour Roy Chadwick (Avro's Chief Design engineer), who was born nearby."
"Our apologies, but the planned flypast of Vulcan XH558 over the Runcorn and Widnes Bridge which was due to take place on Saturday 19 September has now been cancelled.
This is due to concerns regarding public safety and the very strong likelihood that there will be extreme traffic congestion in the local area.
This was planned to honour Roy Chadwick (Avro's Chief Design engineer), who was born nearby."
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