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Airport safety risks being compromised by final flights, say police.
2 Oct, 2015, 5:31 PM
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Final flights will be cancelled if increasingly large crowds risk blocking vital safety routes at Robin Hood
Please do not come to see XH558 take-off and land.
A meeting earlier this week between the Trust, the Emergency Services including the South Yorkshire Police, Doncaster Council and the Airport has made it clear that XH558’s huge popularity could put her final flights at risk.
The clear message from all of them is that unless supporters choose other ways to see her fly, the Trust will be asked to cancel further flying. Correspondence has been received that also makes it clear that the Trust could also be liable for very substantial costs if safety is deemed to be at risk. “The situation we find ourselves in is a tremendous complement to the passion and energy of XH558’s supporters, many of whom have donated time and money to allow her to fly,” says Trust chief executive Dr. Robert Pleming. “As someone who has devoted a significant portion of his life to this aircraft, I fully understand. But I must ask everyone please, do not come to Robin Hood to see her take-off and land. If you do, and the numbers are vast, the police have stated that they may well have no option but to lock down the airport, the financial consequences of which to the Trust would be terminal.”
Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield is an operational international airport that relies on free passenger flow in and out. If there is an incident with an aircraft, emergency services must have fast, uninterrupted access. The police have told us that they have a legal responsibility to ensure that emergency access points are clear of obstructions. Emergency services have pointed out that fire and ambulance access to local homes must be guaranteed.
Steve Gill, director of Doncaster Sheffield Airport said: "We are extremely proud to have the last flying Vulcan based at Doncaster Sheffield Airport and have worked closely with the team at the VTST around her last flights. "They are providing a number of opportunities for spectators and loyal supporters to see the Vulcan in her last flying tours. These opportunities will be right across the country and have been designed so that they do not cause disruption at Doncaster Sheffield Airport.
"As an operational airport our number one priority is our passengers and our relationships with our airline partners. We urge people to listen to the pleas from the Vulcan team and the police and not travel to Doncaster to see the Vulcan but to maximise the opportunities available elsewhere."
Police Supt Rollitt states, although I understand the passion of the supporters of the Vulcan, over the past few months as we approach its final flights, more and more spectators have turned up at events where the Vulcan has been. This has started to overwhelm local authorities and emergency services. My first priority is ensuring the safety of all road users and local communities. Doncaster airport is a small commercial airport that can accommodate its passengers, however the infrastructure around it cannot accommodate a large influx of people hoping to see the Vulcan. The Vulcan trust have worked with us to satisfy the safety issue by providing a flight timetable to ensure that members of the public will get see the final flights from other vantage points around the country.
Caroline Rollitt
Superintendent
Joint Specialist Operations (Uniform)
South Yorkshire Police
Spectacular Final Cross-Country Tour
Chief Pilot Martin Withers is spending time optimising the North and South Tours planned for October 10 and 11 so that as many people as possible can see her fly at least one more time. “Both flights are now amongst the longest she has undertaken since the restoration,” says Martin. “We will be releasing the routes next week as soon as they are approved by all the relevant external authorities.”
Flight information via Twitter and Facebook will be the main mechanisms for ensuring that XH558’s supporters know where she is and where she is heading. Do please try to witness these wonderful final cross-country flights, rather than travelling to Doncaster. It is hoped that, weather allowing, the final few flights will be after the tour, later in October.
For the avoidance of doubt, contrary to speculation seen on the internet, there will be no Vulcan sortie on Sunday 18th October.
“It is absolutely imperative that we show the airport and the emergency services that XH558’s supporters are responsible, understand the safety needs of the airport and will willingly forego attempts to see a take-off or landing at Doncaster,” concludes Robert Pleming. “We must start immediately, with this weekend’s flight, and show the authorities that we should be allowed to continue to fly this remarkable aircraft as long as we are able to delight all her supporters across the country.”
Airport safety risks being compromised by final flights, say police.
2 Oct, 2015, 5:31 PM
From Vulcan
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Vulcan XH558 - The Spirit of Great Britain
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News from XH558, the last flying Vulcan
Final flights will be cancelled if increasingly large crowds risk blocking vital safety routes at Robin Hood
Please do not come to see XH558 take-off and land.
A meeting earlier this week between the Trust, the Emergency Services including the South Yorkshire Police, Doncaster Council and the Airport has made it clear that XH558’s huge popularity could put her final flights at risk.
The clear message from all of them is that unless supporters choose other ways to see her fly, the Trust will be asked to cancel further flying. Correspondence has been received that also makes it clear that the Trust could also be liable for very substantial costs if safety is deemed to be at risk. “The situation we find ourselves in is a tremendous complement to the passion and energy of XH558’s supporters, many of whom have donated time and money to allow her to fly,” says Trust chief executive Dr. Robert Pleming. “As someone who has devoted a significant portion of his life to this aircraft, I fully understand. But I must ask everyone please, do not come to Robin Hood to see her take-off and land. If you do, and the numbers are vast, the police have stated that they may well have no option but to lock down the airport, the financial consequences of which to the Trust would be terminal.”
Robin Hood Doncaster Sheffield is an operational international airport that relies on free passenger flow in and out. If there is an incident with an aircraft, emergency services must have fast, uninterrupted access. The police have told us that they have a legal responsibility to ensure that emergency access points are clear of obstructions. Emergency services have pointed out that fire and ambulance access to local homes must be guaranteed.
Steve Gill, director of Doncaster Sheffield Airport said: "We are extremely proud to have the last flying Vulcan based at Doncaster Sheffield Airport and have worked closely with the team at the VTST around her last flights. "They are providing a number of opportunities for spectators and loyal supporters to see the Vulcan in her last flying tours. These opportunities will be right across the country and have been designed so that they do not cause disruption at Doncaster Sheffield Airport.
"As an operational airport our number one priority is our passengers and our relationships with our airline partners. We urge people to listen to the pleas from the Vulcan team and the police and not travel to Doncaster to see the Vulcan but to maximise the opportunities available elsewhere."
Police Supt Rollitt states, although I understand the passion of the supporters of the Vulcan, over the past few months as we approach its final flights, more and more spectators have turned up at events where the Vulcan has been. This has started to overwhelm local authorities and emergency services. My first priority is ensuring the safety of all road users and local communities. Doncaster airport is a small commercial airport that can accommodate its passengers, however the infrastructure around it cannot accommodate a large influx of people hoping to see the Vulcan. The Vulcan trust have worked with us to satisfy the safety issue by providing a flight timetable to ensure that members of the public will get see the final flights from other vantage points around the country.
Caroline Rollitt
Superintendent
Joint Specialist Operations (Uniform)
South Yorkshire Police
Spectacular Final Cross-Country Tour
Chief Pilot Martin Withers is spending time optimising the North and South Tours planned for October 10 and 11 so that as many people as possible can see her fly at least one more time. “Both flights are now amongst the longest she has undertaken since the restoration,” says Martin. “We will be releasing the routes next week as soon as they are approved by all the relevant external authorities.”
Flight information via Twitter and Facebook will be the main mechanisms for ensuring that XH558’s supporters know where she is and where she is heading. Do please try to witness these wonderful final cross-country flights, rather than travelling to Doncaster. It is hoped that, weather allowing, the final few flights will be after the tour, later in October.
For the avoidance of doubt, contrary to speculation seen on the internet, there will be no Vulcan sortie on Sunday 18th October.
“It is absolutely imperative that we show the airport and the emergency services that XH558’s supporters are responsible, understand the safety needs of the airport and will willingly forego attempts to see a take-off or landing at Doncaster,” concludes Robert Pleming. “We must start immediately, with this weekend’s flight, and show the authorities that we should be allowed to continue to fly this remarkable aircraft as long as we are able to delight all her supporters across the country.”
RoverP6B said:
There's been a lot of official b
ks talked over the Vulcan lately but that really does take the piss.
Tend to agree. As it happens I walked the dog when it took off for the Yorkshire Air Show last weekend, and to me the traffic did not look bad at all. Yes Old Bawtry Road was busy - but who cares it does not go anywhere. All they need is a security guy on each crash gate and someone stopping people parking in daft places on High Common Lane.ks talked over the Vulcan lately but that really does take the piss.I get why they don't want people coming from other parts of the country, but for those who live locally it's a bit much.
surveyor said:
RoverP6B said:
There's been a lot of official bks talked over the Vulcan lately but that really does take the piss.
Tend to agree. As it happens I walked the dog when it took off for the Yorkshire Air Show last weekend, and to me the traffic did not look bad at all. Yes Old Bawtry Road was busy - but who cares it does not go anywhere. All they need is a security guy on each crash gate and someone stopping people parking in daft places on High Common Lane.ks talked over the Vulcan lately but that really does take the piss.I get why they don't want people coming from other parts of the country, but for those who live locally it's a bit much.
ks to me from the clipboard of some fluorescent-vest wearing H&S numpty. If they cancel the last flights because of the potential for a bit of traffic around a regional airport, they've fallen into the current vogue for official overreaction to anything that "might be a bit too much trouble".The resurrection of XH558 is an example of everything that used to be admirable about Britain, South Yorkshire Police's threat is an example of how timid we've become.
Make the last flight a barrel roll at 50ft over South Yorks Police HQ, followed by a full power climb out - should keep the local glaziers in work for a few weeks!
Tootles the Taxi said:
surveyor said:
RoverP6B said:
There's been a lot of official bks talked over the Vulcan lately but that really does take the piss.
Tend to agree. As it happens I walked the dog when it took off for the Yorkshire Air Show last weekend, and to me the traffic did not look bad at all. Yes Old Bawtry Road was busy - but who cares it does not go anywhere. All they need is a security guy on each crash gate and someone stopping people parking in daft places on High Common Lane.ks talked over the Vulcan lately but that really does take the piss.I get why they don't want people coming from other parts of the country, but for those who live locally it's a bit much.
ks to me from the clipboard of some fluorescent-vest wearing H&S numpty. If they cancel the last flights because of the potential for a bit of traffic around a regional airport, they've fallen into the current vogue for official overreaction to anything that "might be a bit too much trouble".The resurrection of XH558 is an example of everything that used to be admirable about Britain, South Yorkshire Police's threat is an example of how timid we've become.
Make the last flight a barrel roll at 50ft over South Yorks Police HQ, followed by a full power climb out - should keep the local glaziers in work for a few weeks!
ecsrobin said:
Tootles the Taxi said:
surveyor said:
RoverP6B said:
There's been a lot of official bks talked over the Vulcan lately but that really does take the piss.
Tend to agree. As it happens I walked the dog when it took off for the Yorkshire Air Show last weekend, and to me the traffic did not look bad at all. Yes Old Bawtry Road was busy - but who cares it does not go anywhere. All they need is a security guy on each crash gate and someone stopping people parking in daft places on High Common Lane.ks talked over the Vulcan lately but that really does take the piss.I get why they don't want people coming from other parts of the country, but for those who live locally it's a bit much.
ks to me from the clipboard of some fluorescent-vest wearing H&S numpty. If they cancel the last flights because of the potential for a bit of traffic around a regional airport, they've fallen into the current vogue for official overreaction to anything that "might be a bit too much trouble".The resurrection of XH558 is an example of everything that used to be admirable about Britain, South Yorkshire Police's threat is an example of how timid we've become.
Make the last flight a barrel roll at 50ft over South Yorks Police HQ, followed by a full power climb out - should keep the local glaziers in work for a few weeks!
surveyor said:
The viewing points for the airport are nowhere near the terminal. I'd be very surprised if there is any real likelihood of the few flights that leave the airport being affected directly.
When the Vulcan came into Coningsby on its first flight to use the compass swing. The whole village and surrounding areas were gridlocked with people abandoning there cars over night. A fair few members of staff ended up sleeping at work instead of at home as it was carnage trying to get out. So it is possible for that to happen. ecsrobin said:
When the Vulcan came into Coningsby on its first flight to use the compass swing. The whole village and surrounding areas were gridlocked with people abandoning there cars over night. A fair few members of staff ended up sleeping at work instead of at home as it was carnage trying to get out. So it is possible for that to happen.
Every event this year has been crammed with people, a final landing will do the same to Doncaster, The trust have offered to stream it live, but the issue is the culture in Britain of 'me first and I know best. '. People also then complain that the traffic was poor (just take the recent Yorkshire airshow) then blame organisers rather than accept the shear volume of people and cars causes the issue. The trust can't win this one, for a show /or something like a football match, organisers pay for policing and traffic management, the trust can't afford that for the whole airport.ecsrobin said:
When the Vulcan came into Coningsby on its first flight to use the compass swing. The whole village and surrounding areas were gridlocked with people abandoning there cars over night. A fair few members of staff ended up sleeping at work instead of at home as it was carnage trying to get out. So it is possible for that to happen.
Every event this year has been crammed with people, a final landing will do the same to Doncaster, The trust have offered to stream it live, but the issue is the culture in Britain of 'me first and I know best. '. People also then complain that the traffic was poor (just take the recent Yorkshire airshow) then blame organisers rather than accept the shear volume of people and cars causes the issue. The trust can't win this one, for a show /or something like a football match, organisers pay for policing and traffic management, the trust can't afford that for the whole airport.johnnyreggae said:
Probably as a thank you for the Arrows' help in the past as she was up anyway round the corner as noted in many recent posts
Probably as much a general thank you to the RAF/MoD in general, as I believe the RAF have 'unofficially' given a lot of support and assistance to the Vulcan project since 2006/7.
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