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Voldemort said:
Riley Blue said:
XH558 will be marooned at a miserable regional airport.
But this,
shows that to be only half true.
aeropilot said:
Pretty much the only time a complete strip down, transport and rebuild has been done to a Vulcan since production days was when crash n smash moved XL318 into RAFM Hendon. It's a HUGE undertaking.....and probably not a realistic prospect again.
Pics here http://www.avrovulcan.org.uk/XL318_dismantling/ind...DrDeAtH said:
Hmm...
XL426 is at southend airport, doesn't fly, but attracts visitors
XM655 is at Wellesbourne airfield, doesn't fly, but attracts visitors
Both do taxy runs
XM603 is at the new Avro heritage centre. Doesn't move, but attracts visitors..
Your logic is slightly flawed, people do however, want to see a Vulcan.
I went to see a stationary Vulcan at West Mids Air Museum (Cov airport) yesterday. They allow you into the cockpit which is interesting. XL426 is at southend airport, doesn't fly, but attracts visitors
XM655 is at Wellesbourne airfield, doesn't fly, but attracts visitors
Both do taxy runs
XM603 is at the new Avro heritage centre. Doesn't move, but attracts visitors..
Your logic is slightly flawed, people do however, want to see a Vulcan.
XM603 won't be attracting visitors much longer, it's due to be scrapped imminently, on account of it being riddled with corrosion. They used to do ground runs, but the old blokes who maintained it were told to leave by BAe and the engines and many other parts made their way to XH558.
XM607 at Waddington is in no less pitiful a state, albeit intact AFAIK. That the RAF haven't taken better care of her is lamentable and shameful.
XH558 cannot and will not return to Bruntingthorpe. The hangar there is no longer available, and if it did become available, I think the Victor, Nimrod and VC-10 guys would want first dibs on it. The runway at Brunters is also in appalling condition - it's why '558 was moved elsewhere, the risk of FOD ingestion into the engines (oh, the irony) was just too high.
No, the taxi/engineering academy idea at Finningley will not work. Smoke and mirrors. However, the National Heritage Memorial Fund requires VTTS to keep the aeroplane for a minimum 99 years...
Incidentally, why are people rude about how XL318 was dismantled? I've seen the photos, it looks to me like they dismantled it in the approved manner and reassembled it as it had originally been assembled.
XM607 at Waddington is in no less pitiful a state, albeit intact AFAIK. That the RAF haven't taken better care of her is lamentable and shameful.
XH558 cannot and will not return to Bruntingthorpe. The hangar there is no longer available, and if it did become available, I think the Victor, Nimrod and VC-10 guys would want first dibs on it. The runway at Brunters is also in appalling condition - it's why '558 was moved elsewhere, the risk of FOD ingestion into the engines (oh, the irony) was just too high.
No, the taxi/engineering academy idea at Finningley will not work. Smoke and mirrors. However, the National Heritage Memorial Fund requires VTTS to keep the aeroplane for a minimum 99 years...
Incidentally, why are people rude about how XL318 was dismantled? I've seen the photos, it looks to me like they dismantled it in the approved manner and reassembled it as it had originally been assembled.
RoverP6B said:
XM603 won't be attracting visitors much longer, it's due to be scrapped imminently, on account of it being riddled with corrosion. They used to do ground runs, but the old blokes who maintained it were told to leave by BAe and the engines and many other parts made their way to XH558.
That used to be the case. It's now part of the new Avro Heritage Museum.http://avroheritagemuseum.co.uk/the-vulcan-2/
RoverP6B said:
XM607 at Waddington is in no less pitiful a state, albeit intact AFAIK. That the RAF haven't taken better care of her is lamentable and shameful.
607 is in a very poor state from what I hear from ex-Waddo personnel, the general feeling is that it hasn't got too many years left before it will have to be scrapped - as it's already gone past the point of remedial action required for it's long term saving.RoverP6B said:
Incidentally, why are people rude about how XL318 was dismantled? I've seen the photos, it looks to me like they dismantled it in the approved manner and reassembled it as it had originally been assembled.
Not quite.....As it was never destined to fly again, liberties were taken with some of the disassembly process (understandably) and while the airframe structure was done as per the book, the systems weren't, and crash n smash cut/sawed there way through a lot of the systems at the joints.
Riley Blue said:
aeropilot said:
V41LEY said:
aeropilot said:
As you say, it's a working airport with security rules and regulations, you just can't let shed loads of people rock up and let them in. Not going to happen.
For this very reason, I just can't see '558 ever really doing any 'pay to view' taxy runs in the future - even more so if the airport expands it's ops to the level they keep claiming they won't to do.
That's interesting because her future is being built around an aerospace academy / engineering facility for students.For this very reason, I just can't see '558 ever really doing any 'pay to view' taxy runs in the future - even more so if the airport expands it's ops to the level they keep claiming they won't to do.
Kitchski said:
surveyor said:
You need to look at a map.
Somewhere in Geoffrey Boycott isn't it?
I'm not sure, Geography's not my strong point. All I know is that people sound funny and have weird names for things anywhere north of Stratford.
... and that's Sir Geoffrey to you!
Edited by NM62 on Thursday 22 October 15:48
Edited by NM62 on Thursday 22 October 15:49
NM62 said:
You're legends wrong - see here Spot On
... and that's Sir Geoffrey to you!
... and that's Sir Geoffrey to you!
Edited by NM62 on Thursday 22 October 15:48
Edited by NM62 on Thursday 22 October 15:49
I beg to differ. I believe the following link will clear up all matters:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/14/english...
Kitchski said:
NM62 said:
You're legends wrong - see here Spot On
... and that's Sir Geoffrey to you!
... and that's Sir Geoffrey to you!
Edited by NM62 on Thursday 22 October 15:48
Edited by NM62 on Thursday 22 October 15:49
I beg to differ. I believe the following link will clear up all matters:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/14/english...
"Yorkshire Is Famous For"
"Yorkshire is The Best"
"Yorkshire Is Great"
"Yorkshire Is A State Of Mind"
All true - guess the HP isn't from Yorkshire
V41LEY said:
Possibly in hindsight they are now regretting that the National Tour wasn't the last flying event as they have crested a bit of a monster.
That's the "National" Tour that just happened to miss two of the four nations that make up the islands of the U.K? :-)There's a few pissed off people in Wales for whom the Northern Tour excluded crossing the border.....
wobert said:
That's the "National" Tour that just happened to miss two of the four nations that make up the islands of the U.K? :-)
There's a few pissed off people in Wales for whom the Northern Tour excluded crossing the border.....
They could have travelled to see it. It never flew over me and I didn't moan about it.There's a few pissed off people in Wales for whom the Northern Tour excluded crossing the border.....
FourWheelDrift said:
wobert said:
That's the "National" Tour that just happened to miss two of the four nations that make up the islands of the U.K? :-)
There's a few pissed off people in Wales for whom the Northern Tour excluded crossing the border.....
They could have travelled to see it. It never flew over me and I didn't moan about it.There's a few pissed off people in Wales for whom the Northern Tour excluded crossing the border.....
Especially as the routing was planned to overfly the Hawarden site, itself a historical base as it was once an Avro manufacturing site I believe...under the Vickers-Armstrong name.
My comment regarding "National" tour was intended to be tongue in cheek......
aeropilot said:
RoverP6B said:
XM607 at Waddington is in no less pitiful a state, albeit intact AFAIK. That the RAF haven't taken better care of her is lamentable and shameful.
607 is in a very poor state from what I hear from ex-Waddo personnel, the general feeling is that it hasn't got too many years left before it will have to be scrapped - as it's already gone past the point of remedial action required for it's long term saving.RoverP6B said:
Incidentally, why are people rude about how XL318 was dismantled? I've seen the photos, it looks to me like they dismantled it in the approved manner and reassembled it as it had originally been assembled.
Not quite.....As it was never destined to fly again, liberties were taken with some of the disassembly process (understandably) and while the airframe structure was done as per the book, the systems weren't, and crash n smash cut/sawed there way through a lot of the systems at the joints.
The Shackleton return to flight guys are pushing for a bit of PR off the back of 558's grounding. Good luck to them I say.
Personally, I'm far more into jets and sadly most of the old ones are already deemed non-complex and already airworthy. All the Cold War complex stuff I love is doubtful to ever fly again
Personally, I'm far more into jets and sadly most of the old ones are already deemed non-complex and already airworthy. All the Cold War complex stuff I love is doubtful to ever fly again
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