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Pleming is merely the Chairman. His role does not involve much of the donkey-work. That's down to the crews on the ground and in the cockpit. As for the design authorities - BAe are willing to negotiate, R-R only withdrew because XH558's engines are getting to the end of their lives and VTTS won't cough up for the replacement engines that are ready and waiting in storage, and Marshalls basically pulled out because the other two had gone. There is every possibility that a different outfit could win back the support necessary to fly a Vulcan, be it '558 or another.
RoverP6B said:
VTTS won't cough up for the replacement engines that are ready and waiting in storage.
Why would they cough up for more engines? They have spare engines all wrapped up and ready to go in the hanger next to the plane. I saw them when I was there for the Avro heroes evening a month ago.Oldred_V8S said:
Jeez not this again. And who do you think will act as the underwriting authority for XL318?
Is this for certification? I still don't understand why a private company cannot replace the roles of BAE Systems, Marshall Aerospace and Rolls-Royce. There is no shortage of money, technical expertise, enthusiasm and experience just ready to step into the fold.VTTS's engines are all pretty much run out. If memory serves (and I may well be wrong on this), they started out with eight spares (meaning twelve engines in total), and two were then destroyed in the silica-bag incident. There are eight new and twelve zero-life Olympus 202s (plus eight new 301s for XM655) in storage, supposedly at MoD Ashchurch. R-R own those engines: they have been offered to VTTS, at a cost - they would need at least an engineering feasibility study, possibly also replacement of seals etc. VTTS wouldn't cough up. That's basically why the a/c is being grounded.
Ultimately with SDSR looming, companies like BAE and RR have more pressing matters to contend with than supporting the Vulcan. Bemoaning their withdrawal of support is laughable. Most people here understand the reasons, but all the "they should keep it flying" comments without knowing who "they" are and the bigger issues about why that's just not possible are just cringeworthy.
sa_20v said:
pablo said:
Ultimately with SDSR looming, companies like BAE and RR have more pressing matters to contend with than supporting the Vulcan. Bemoaning their withdrawal of support is laughable.
I'm not but is their involvement a requirement for CAA approval?RoverP6B said:
VTTS's engines are all pretty much run out. If memory serves (and I may well be wrong on this), they started out with eight spares (meaning twelve engines in total), and two were then destroyed in the silica-bag incident. There are eight new and twelve zero-life Olympus 202s (plus eight new 301s for XM655) in storage, supposedly at MoD Ashchurch. R-R own those engines: they have been offered to VTTS, at a cost - they would need at least an engineering feasibility study, possibly also replacement of seals etc. VTTS wouldn't cough up. That's basically why the a/c is being grounded.
Vtts had 8 engines initially but only 7 were approved by the CAA for use in XH558 i believe the 8th engine was not in a sealed condition so therefore not classed as 'zero hours'. sa_20v said:
Richjam said:
The CAA class the Vulcan as complex so therefore the answer is yes.
Where does it say that in the guidelines? I don't doubt it but need to understand whether a single private entity could pick up the mantle. 
sa_20v said:
Richjam said:
The CAA class the Vulcan as complex so therefore the answer is yes.
Where does it say that in the guidelines? I don't doubt it but need to understand whether a single private entity could pick up the mantle. This is utter, utter tish unfortunately.
The majority of folk working on XH558 are not employed by BAE, so how does it matter if they (BAE/Marshal Aerospace) withdraw their support?
The Lancaster is still flying, and AVRO are no longer in existence - although later amalgamated into BAE. The Lanc can still fly - although under RAF support.
The RAF need to take the Vulcan in. It would be criminal to leave it grounded after all the efforts of the VTTST.
The majority of folk working on XH558 are not employed by BAE, so how does it matter if they (BAE/Marshal Aerospace) withdraw their support?
The Lancaster is still flying, and AVRO are no longer in existence - although later amalgamated into BAE. The Lanc can still fly - although under RAF support.
The RAF need to take the Vulcan in. It would be criminal to leave it grounded after all the efforts of the VTTST.
damon80 said:
The Lancaster is still flying, and AVRO are no longer in existence - although later amalgamated into BAE. The Lanc can still fly - although under RAF support.
T.
A red herring. Avro were absorbed by Hawker Siddeley long before the first Lancaster flew, BAE are effectively the manufacturer. Also a Lancaster is not classified as complex by the CAA so doesn't need manufacturer support.T.
Richjam said:
First page of the permit to fly shows all you need
Ta but that details current provision. Do the CAA require the existing three parties to be involved for the plane to fly, or can a third party continue to offer such services (which others have alluded to aren't significant in day-to-day running) in order to get certification for this airframe or others.sa_20v said:
Richjam said:
First page of the permit to fly shows all you need
Ta but that details current provision. Do the CAA require the existing three parties to be involved for the plane to fly, or can a third party continue to offer such services (which others have alluded to aren't significant in day-to-day running) in order to get certification for this airframe or others.damon80 said:
This is utter, utter tish unfortunately.
The majority of folk working on XH558 are not employed by BAE, so how does it matter if they (BAE/Marshal Aerospace) withdraw their support?
The Lancaster is still flying, and AVRO are no longer in existence - although later amalgamated into BAE. The Lanc can still fly - although under RAF support.
The RAF need to take the Vulcan in. It would be criminal to leave it grounded after all the efforts of the VTTST.
What is utter tish is your post.The majority of folk working on XH558 are not employed by BAE, so how does it matter if they (BAE/Marshal Aerospace) withdraw their support?
The Lancaster is still flying, and AVRO are no longer in existence - although later amalgamated into BAE. The Lanc can still fly - although under RAF support.
The RAF need to take the Vulcan in. It would be criminal to leave it grounded after all the efforts of the VTTST.
You have zero understanding of the situation.
sa_20v said:
Richjam said:
First page of the permit to fly shows all you need
Ta but that details current provision. Do the CAA require the existing three parties to be involved for the plane to fly, or can a third party continue to offer such services (which others have alluded to aren't significant in day-to-day running) in order to get certification for this airframe or others.Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff