Discussion
Leptons said:
So that's that then. I'd kind of anticipated the final flight would be a bit of an anti climax so I wasn't to bothered about seeing it.
I will remember the Vulcan as it flew off into the sun and haze at the Yorkshire Air Show. Magnificent.
Likewise. She seemed to climb for an eternity that afternoon. I can still feel it. I will remember the Vulcan as it flew off into the sun and haze at the Yorkshire Air Show. Magnificent.
Has this been posted already?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxshOMFTZdM
Prestwick nosewheel
This one has the 'roll' at 40 secs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8rVwhnjBr4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxshOMFTZdM
Prestwick nosewheel
This one has the 'roll' at 40 secs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8rVwhnjBr4
Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 29th October 01:34
Mave said:
If they are in mod storage, I guess they are mod assets and it's up to them to release them to VTTS? Having trained engineers ready to go doesn't help if the owner of the engines doesn't want them to be released...
aeropilot said:
Given what MOD Ashchurch is used for (soft skin vehicle storage) I seriously doubt there are any a/c engines in store there, let alone bagged and tagged 202's and if by some sort of miracle they are there, they aren't going to be there for much longer as the site is currently being cleared to make way for a housing development!
Can only go by what I've heard. Ashchurch does have a dedicated climate-controlled storage facility. However, the location of the engines seems to be less well-defined in the reports I'm hearing than the existence of these engines in Rolls-Royce's ownership. I've also heard it suggested that these engines (8x new 202, 8x new 301, 12x zero-life 202) may be in R-R's own storage facilities. However, there's also a pile of other Vulcan spares which you wouldn't have thought R-R would want...As for the last flight - what a load of pathetic, insulting rubbish, followed by '558 going out with a feeble whimper. Not even a howl, not even at takeoff. The live stream was woeful too. Not a good advert for PlanesTV.
Dr Seuss quotes, "stirring music" in videos, all a load of self-indulgent w
k!Their "Vulcan academy" and taxi-run plans have about as much credibility as a regular Concorde schedule between Earth and Mars, especially judging by the belligerent and spectacularly officious attitude of the airport management, to whom no credit is due. I've heard and read bad things about the same shower over at Manchester Barton too, driving out Lancashire Aero Club after 70-odd years there, ending reciprocal landing fee exemptions and more.
Keep the thread open. Keep the pressure on VTTS. Let's expose the truth behind the shameful grounding of this aeroplane and make sure heads roll as a consequence.
slartibartfast said:
sorry to drag his up again but I just spoke to one of my friends who's on the committee to look after XH607 and apparently you're talking bks
XM607, not XH607, and I'm not talking bksks: the engineers who "look after" the bloody thing have reported highly advanced intergranular corrosion in the spars. That aircraft is beyond repair and will be scrapped just the same as the Cardiff and Blackpool ones were. XM603 at Woodford is also likely to go the same way, and XM607's Black Buck op-mate XM597 at East Fortune is in a fairly bad way, as is XM612 at Horsham St Faith. XM594 at Newark is externally immaculate but they've had corrosion problems too. XL319 at Sunderland - the spars are (surprisingly) fine, but the magnesium alloy brackets holding on the skinning are shot (and a programme of replacement has been under way for several years). Even XH558 had significant areas of corrosion which had to be remedied before she could fly. The matter of XM607's deterioration has been covered ad nauseam on various air fora, particularly in a thread started by a Waddo chap on PPRuNe.RoverP6B said:
The matter of XM607's deterioration has been covered ad nauseam on various air fora, particularly in a thread started by a Waddo chap on PPRuNe.
Perhaps something should be done with the airframe to celebrate its achievementMaybe a clear component to every Falklands museum exhibit and a medal from the molten airframe remains to every participant all funded by selling other components and/or souvenir medals to the public
S10GTA said:
A fitting final image I feel
out of interest just how steep a climb could she manage? from some vids it almost looks like she was heading vertical...
looking at Wiki they state an empty (inc. crew) of ~37,144 kg and for the 301's 20,000Lb thrust (x4), so not quite enough thrust to overcome her empty weight.
That said, I read somewhere they had pulled out a lot of weight when overhauling her?
Anybody know what weigh/thrust she ended up with?
saaby93 said:
Has this been posted already?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxshOMFTZdM
Prestwick nosewheel
This one has the 'roll' at 40 secs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8rVwhnjBr4
Not really a roll, more of a wing over I would suggest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxshOMFTZdM
Prestwick nosewheel
This one has the 'roll' at 40 secs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8rVwhnjBr4
Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 29th October 01:34
RoverP6B said:
Can only go by what I've heard. Ashchurch does have a dedicated climate-controlled storage facility. However, the location of the engines seems to be less well-defined in the reports I'm hearing than the existence of these engines in Rolls-Royce's ownership. I've also heard it suggested that these engines (8x new 202, 8x new 301, 12x zero-life 202) may be in R-R's own storage facilities. However, there's also a pile of other Vulcan spares which you wouldn't have thought R-R would want...
I’m afraid I still don’t beleieve that.After 30 years why would RR have any MOD property as all 200/300 Series engines were MOD property, not RR’s. At the very least, RR would have handed them over to the MOD/RAF in support of the VDF which was active between ’84-92 as RR had by then finished all 200/300 overhauls once MOD ended the support contract in 84ish....?
Also, RR spent most of the late 60’s showing little or no interest in the Olympus as it wasn’t their design, they just inherited it in the aircraft industry amalgamation programme. In fact if you talk to ex-BSAE people, after that point, you will find that RR were actively doing everything they could to promote the Conway over any Olympus development for aero use. Probably why the Olympus ended up being converted to Marine use?
It’s therefore perhaps not surprising that RR, now in 2015 have called time on the support of the Vulcan....they probably still don't see the Olympus as a RR engine!
Now.......if you had said RR had some bagged n tagged 100 series engines in store at Filton or elsewhere, with some Vulcan spares......then, that I could believe, as it operated B.1 XA903 for the Concorde engine program. But even then, given the contraction of all our aviation manufacturing facilities and storage facilities in the 40+ years since ‘903 last flew, I find it hard to believe that any such parts have been moved around and not just put on the scrap heap which is what usually happens when old stores are cleared out.....as a result of the modern world of JIT spares supply.
Anyone, whether they have or haven't is now irrelevant.
RoverP6B said:
The live stream was woeful too. Not a good advert for PlanesTV.
I think that’s being a bit harsh, without knowing the facts. Being a mid-week day, I suspect AC had to sort it all out on his own with very little notice etc., from TVOC/VTTS. You'll probably find that they've actually done a bloody good job given the circumstances.Scuffers said:
S10GTA said:
A fitting final image I feel
out of interest just how steep a climb could she manage? from some vids it almost looks like she was heading vertical...
looking at Wiki they state an empty (inc. crew) of ~37,144 kg and for the 301's 20,000Lb thrust (x4), so not quite enough thrust to overcome her empty weight.
That said, I read somewhere they had pulled out a lot of weight when overhauling her?
Anybody know what weigh/thrust she ended up with?
Edited by EarlOfHazard on Thursday 29th October 10:09
aeropilot said:
As an aside, I've just worked out, I've seen in person the last 'public flying displays' of '558 (the original one at Cranfield in 92 as well as Old Warden this month) as well as XL426's last ever public display with the VDF at RAF Coningsby Open Day in June 1986!!
I remember seeing XJ824 landing at Duxford 13/3/82Also saw the B-52 landing (8/10/83)
So pleased one of my Twitter friends Periscoped the flight and chat with Martin Withers after (who said he didn't have a tear in his eye, he just enjoyed it). It felt like being there. Thanks Steph.
Planes tv was just my backup coverage luckily.
I still can't believe we won't see XH558 in the sky again.
Planes tv was just my backup coverage luckily.
I still can't believe we won't see XH558 in the sky again.
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