XH558...

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slartibartfast

4,014 posts

201 months

Thursday 29th October 2015
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RoverP6B said:
slartibartfast said:
sorry to drag his up again but I just spoke to one of my friends who's on the committee to look after XH607 and apparently you're talking bks
XM607, not XH607,
that was a typo error so fk you biggrin

£10 says XM607 doesn't get scrapped in the next 10 years.

silverfoxcc

7,689 posts

145 months

Thursday 29th October 2015
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These RR engines that are in store
for those interested in the demise of British Railways Steam locos back in the 60's i can confirm that they are stored along with the mythical strategic steam reserve in a hollowed out complex under a mountain somewhere in Wales, approx 400 locos are reported to be there, despite the fact that most if not all of BR locos can be accounted for in the various scrapyards that cut up locos, and even more surprising is That Lord lucsan is in charge of security ,and often takes Shergar ou for a trot.

marksx

5,052 posts

190 months

Thursday 29th October 2015
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RoverP6B said:
As for the last flight - what a load of pathetic, insulting rubbish, followed by '558 going out with a feeble whimper. Not even a howl, not even at takeoff. The live stream was woeful too. Not a good advert for PlanesTV.
There was a howl. A bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihIz2PtSpIc

MartG

20,675 posts

204 months

eccles

13,733 posts

222 months

Thursday 29th October 2015
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silverfoxcc said:
These RR engines that are in store
for those interested in the demise of British Railways Steam locos back in the 60's i can confirm that they are stored along with the mythical strategic steam reserve in a hollowed out complex under a mountain somewhere in Wales, approx 400 locos are reported to be there, despite the fact that most if not all of BR locos can be accounted for in the various scrapyards that cut up locos, and even more surprising is That Lord lucsan is in charge of security ,and often takes Shergar ou for a trot.
I think some of those stored locos were scrapped to make space for crated up spitfires..biggrin

Condi

17,188 posts

171 months

Thursday 29th October 2015
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essayer said:
On the live stream the chap mentioned that they left XH558 in the hangar, the crew climbed aboard, started some checks, then it was towed out and they were ready to go quite sharpish.. Rather sneaky!
Surely the final flight was for the crew and support staff - the public have had their chance to view it over the last few months. I think its quite nice the final flight was low key and personal.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 29th October 2015
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eccles said:
silverfoxcc said:
These RR engines that are in store
for those interested in the demise of British Railways Steam locos back in the 60's i can confirm that they are stored along with the mythical strategic steam reserve in a hollowed out complex under a mountain somewhere in Wales, approx 400 locos are reported to be there, despite the fact that most if not all of BR locos can be accounted for in the various scrapyards that cut up locos, and even more surprising is That Lord lucsan is in charge of security ,and often takes Shergar ou for a trot.
I think some of those stored locos were scrapped to make space for crated up spitfires..biggrin
Burma spitfires, nazi gold, merlin engines in a carpark, the lost ark and now complete Vulcan engines. hehe

tdm34

7,369 posts

210 months

Thursday 29th October 2015
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el stovey said:
eccles said:
silverfoxcc said:
These RR engines that are in store
for those interested in the demise of British Railways Steam locos back in the 60's i can confirm that they are stored along with the mythical strategic steam reserve in a hollowed out complex under a mountain somewhere in Wales, approx 400 locos are reported to be there, despite the fact that most if not all of BR locos can be accounted for in the various scrapyards that cut up locos, and even more surprising is That Lord lucsan is in charge of security ,and often takes Shergar ou for a trot.
I think some of those stored locos were scrapped to make space for crated up spitfires..biggrin
Burma spitfires, nazi gold, merlin engines in a carpark, the lost ark and now complete Vulcan engines. hehe
Not forgetting the King buried under a Leicester car park................ Oh!

postcode

225 posts

200 months

Friday 30th October 2015
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ATTAK Z said:
Today's effort was a bit low key (as expected)to say the least, but I'm glad I was there ... best display I've seen at DSA was last year's at the end of the 2014 display season
The one at the start of this season, when they unveiled the Layup wingover (the final wingover that they've done throughout the season) was probably one of the better ones I've seen, although, the Saturday display at Fairford this year takes some beating.

I got the message that it was going up about 15 minutes before engines started, couldn't get to Finningley in time, so drove out to Lindholme and watched it display in the distance, whilst watching the live feed on Periscope and Youtube on my laptop and phone (its a good job my data contract on my phone is OK).

I've grown up with the aircraft, I lived in Lincoln through the 80s, and saw it regularly over the house (as a 5-6 year old, it was the coolest plane in the world smilewink), and was at Finningley in 1992 when it finished its time with the VDF (it had one final display at Cosford before being sold IIRC).

Theres been plenty of wibble about whether or not there are additional engines hidden away like the strategic steam reserve, but, to be honest, the aircraft has had a good enough lifespan, and, whilst they may not fill the gap in terms of excitement and the effect on the public, I hope that there are 'new' entrants to the aircraft preservation market which can attract some attention. Whether or not it involves getting a Buccaneer flying, or a Comet, or a Canberra, theres always going to be something that will fill the spot in an airshow, and it may not cost as much as 558 did in its later years.

Riley Blue

20,953 posts

226 months

Friday 30th October 2015
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Condi said:
essayer said:
On the live stream the chap mentioned that they left XH558 in the hangar, the crew climbed aboard, started some checks, then it was towed out and they were ready to go quite sharpish.. Rather sneaky!
Surely the final flight was for the crew and support staff - the public have had their chance to view it over the last few months. I think its quite nice the final flight was low key and personal.
The final flight was for the media, from the VTTS Facebook page, "In approximately 30 minutes, Vulcan XH558 will take-off for her final flight. Due to completing so many hours this season, this will be a short 15 minute flight to capture images for the national and international media. It will also give a superb historical image of her final ever landing."


Kitchski

6,515 posts

231 months

Friday 30th October 2015
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postcode said:
The one at the start of this season, when they unveiled the Layup wingover (the final wingover that they've done throughout the season) was probably one of the better ones I've seen, although, the Saturday display at Fairford this year takes some beating.

I got the message that it was going up about 15 minutes before engines started, couldn't get to Finningley in time, so drove out to Lindholme and watched it display in the distance, whilst watching the live feed on Periscope and Youtube on my laptop and phone (its a good job my data contract on my phone is OK).

I've grown up with the aircraft, I lived in Lincoln through the 80s, and saw it regularly over the house (as a 5-6 year old, it was the coolest plane in the world smilewink), and was at Finningley in 1992 when it finished its time with the VDF (it had one final display at Cosford before being sold IIRC).

Theres been plenty of wibble about whether or not there are additional engines hidden away like the strategic steam reserve, but, to be honest, the aircraft has had a good enough lifespan, and, whilst they may not fill the gap in terms of excitement and the effect on the public, I hope that there are 'new' entrants to the aircraft preservation market which can attract some attention. Whether or not it involves getting a Buccaneer flying, or a Comet, or a Canberra, theres always going to be something that will fill the spot in an airshow, and it may not cost as much as 558 did in its later years.
Good news for you - there is already a Canberra in the air smile

Richjam

318 posts

188 months

Friday 30th October 2015
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http://youtu.be/5kDPqElQGwo the alleged rolls over grantham looks pretty conclusive?

surveyor

17,817 posts

184 months

Friday 30th October 2015
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Richjam said:
http://youtu.be/5kDPqElQGwo the alleged rolls over grantham looks pretty conclusive?
What are they going to do? Ban it from flying? Take away the retired pilots license? It's all a bit moot now...

Richjam

318 posts

188 months

Friday 30th October 2015
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surveyor said:
Richjam said:
http://youtu.be/5kDPqElQGwo the alleged rolls over grantham looks pretty conclusive?
What are they going to do? Ban it from flying? Take away the retired pilots license? It's all a bit moot now...
My concern is post shorham with the CAA reviewing ther airshow policy and the concerns over the operation of jets in civilian hands it could have a negative effect. If they had done it over the sea with no witnesses it wouldnt have been a problem. I also doubt that it was Martin Withers at the controls not all of XH558 pilots are retired...

surveyor

17,817 posts

184 months

Friday 30th October 2015
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Richjam said:
surveyor said:
Richjam said:
http://youtu.be/5kDPqElQGwo the alleged rolls over grantham looks pretty conclusive?
What are they going to do? Ban it from flying? Take away the retired pilots license? It's all a bit moot now...
My concern is post shorham with the CAA reviewing ther airshow policy and the concerns over the operation of jets in civilian hands it could have a negative effect. If they had done it over the sea with no witnesses it wouldnt have been a problem. I also doubt that it was Martin Withers at the controls not all of XH558 pilots are retired...
I'm assuming that whoever was at the wheel knew their personal risk....

Richjam

318 posts

188 months

Friday 30th October 2015
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surveyor said:
Richjam said:
surveyor said:
Richjam said:
http://youtu.be/5kDPqElQGwo the alleged rolls over grantham looks pretty conclusive?
What are they going to do? Ban it from flying? Take away the retired pilots license? It's all a bit moot now...
My concern is post shorham with the CAA reviewing ther airshow policy and the concerns over the operation of jets in civilian hands it could have a negative effect. If they had done it over the sea with no witnesses it wouldnt have been a problem. I also doubt that it was Martin Withers at the controls not all of XH558 pilots are retired...
I'm assuming that whoever was at the wheel knew their personal risk....
I assume you mean risk to their license as apposed to a risk to the Aircraft. I would think its a pretty safe manovoure given that they were reportedly at 10,000 feet at the time. Whether the CAA agrees remains to be seen..

Oldred_V8S

3,715 posts

238 months

Friday 30th October 2015
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Richjam said:
surveyor said:
Richjam said:
http://youtu.be/5kDPqElQGwo the alleged rolls over grantham looks pretty conclusive?
What are they going to do? Ban it from flying? Take away the retired pilots license? It's all a bit moot now...
My concern is post shorham with the CAA reviewing ther airshow policy and the concerns over the operation of jets in civilian hands it could have a negative effect. If they had done it over the sea with no witnesses it wouldnt have been a problem. I also doubt that it was Martin Withers at the controls not all of XH558 pilots are retired...
Martin was on the ground at Old Warden on the day of the last display flight, so definitely not him. He told me Phill O'Dell was flying it that day

Richjam

318 posts

188 months

Friday 30th October 2015
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Oldred_V8S said:
Richjam said:
surveyor said:
Richjam said:
http://youtu.be/5kDPqElQGwo the alleged rolls over grantham looks pretty conclusive?
What are they going to do? Ban it from flying? Take away the retired pilots license? It's all a bit moot now...
My concern is post shorham with the CAA reviewing ther airshow policy and the concerns over the operation of jets in civilian hands it could have a negative effect. If they had done it over the sea with no witnesses it wouldnt have been a problem. I also doubt that it was Martin Withers at the controls not all of XH558 pilots are retired...
Martin was on the ground at Old Warden on the day of the last display flight, so definitely not him. He told me Phill O'Dell was flying it that day
Thats quite supprising considering Phill O'Dell's other duties. I would have put money on it being Kev Rumens at the controls.

sa_20v

4,108 posts

231 months

Friday 30th October 2015
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Richjam said:
http://youtu.be/5kDPqElQGwo the alleged rolls over grantham looks pretty conclusive?
It was turbulence sir...

For those with better knowledge than me, do the flap angles look right to you for such a manoeuvre?

V8LM

5,174 posts

209 months

Friday 30th October 2015
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sa_20v said:
It was turbulence sir...

For those with better knowledge than me, do the flap angles look right to you for such a manoeuvre?
Certainly seem so on the second at 0:15.

ETA: although why time-lapsed? It is a rather good model.


Edited by V8LM on Friday 30th October 19:28