Post amazingly cool pictures of aircraft (Volume 1)

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

M-J-B said:

(noisy buggers from outside though with those Spey Engines )

I think you will find the VC10 was fitted with RR Conways.

[FourWheelDrift]

News on the phasing out, airframes and disposal & preservation - http://www.vc10.net/news.html

[thatone1967]

I know it's not a real pic... but wouldn't you just LOVE to know if it was out there? I know I would....

[M-J-B]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

M-J-B said:

(noisy buggers from outside though with those Spey Engines )

I think you will find the VC10 was fitted with RR Conways.

Whilst I was obviously pissed last night (!), in fact both were used on the VC10....

"Projected (Oct 1959-spring 1961) short range development of VC10 with 4 RR Spey engines, 80-138 passengers 6-abreast, cancelled in favour of BAC 1-11"

Taken from Aeroflight.co.uk

[Eric Mc]

Not used - just proposed.

A VC-10 did fly with an RB211 engine fitted, however (G-AXLR).

[thatone1967]

Eric Mc said:

Not used - just proposed.

A VC-10 did fly with an RB211 engine fitted, however (G-AXLR).

wow.. would love to have seen that....

[baldy1926]

I hate to say what condition the vc10's are in now when i was in the raf in the 80's they were very shabby then.
I can remember some airframes with sticky tape on windows all the interior trim was broken-from having seats etc taken out regulary etc.
I saw that they stopped carring passengers last month.
Also that the replacemnet is still several years away as to save money they did not consider war zone action!!! wtf

[Eric Mc]

thatone1967 said:

Eric Mc said:

Not used - just proposed.

A VC-10 did fly with an RB211 engine fitted, however (G-AXLR).

wow.. would love to have seen that....

I did - but she was lying derelict at Kemble at the time

[PAUL. S]

I had been told that one of the current RAF VC10s is the actual airframe that achieved the fastest ever speed for a passenger jet airliner before Concorde in a test over the Atlantic in the 70s, and now with concords demise, its the fastest airliner still flying.

Apparently its one of the ones due to be scrapped but due to its history may be saved - I think its an ex east african airways super vc10, but could be wrong. Anyone know which airframe it is? and any pics

Edited by PAUL. S on Wednesday 7th April 09:56

[The real Apache]

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That looks terrific, kinda like the aviation version of a super muscle car

[Eric Mc]

PAUL. S said:

I had been told that one of the current RAF VC10s is the actual airframe that achieved the fastest ever speed for a passenger jet airliner before Concorde in a test over the Atlantic in the 70s, and now with concords demise, its the fastest airliner still flying.

Appartently its one of the ones due to be scrapped but due to its history may be saved - I think its an ex east african airways super vc10, but could be wrong. Anyone know which airframe it is? and any pics

I do know that Douglas DC-8 went supersonic in a test flight in the late 1950s.

[M-J-B]

Eric Mc said:

PAUL. S said:

I had been told that one of the current RAF VC10s is the actual airframe that achieved the fastest ever speed for a passenger jet airliner before Concorde in a test over the Atlantic in the 70s, and now with concords demise, its the fastest airliner still flying.

Appartently its one of the ones due to be scrapped but due to its history may be saved - I think its an ex east african airways super vc10, but could be wrong. Anyone know which airframe it is? and any pics

I do know that Douglas DC-8 went supersonic in a test flight in the late 1950s.

I thought I saw on a Discovery program that it's not uncommon for new airliners to briefly go supersonic whilst testing (in a dive for example?).

Having said that, with my track record over the last couple of posts I'm almost certainly talking complete bks

[PAUL. S]

I was led to believe that its an actual recorded event, so some info should be out there on the feat.

edited

wicki to the rescue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_VC10

seems it was the fastest crossing of the Atlantic, not the fastest speed recorded, just need to find which airframe and some pics now

Edited by PAUL. S on Wednesday 7th April 10:51

[Eric Mc]

M-J-B said:

Eric Mc said:

PAUL. S said:

I had been told that one of the current RAF VC10s is the actual airframe that achieved the fastest ever speed for a passenger jet airliner before Concorde in a test over the Atlantic in the 70s, and now with concords demise, its the fastest airliner still flying.

Appartently its one of the ones due to be scrapped but due to its history may be saved - I think its an ex east african airways super vc10, but could be wrong. Anyone know which airframe it is? and any pics

I do know that Douglas DC-8 went supersonic in a test flight in the late 1950s.

I thought I saw on a Discovery program that it's not uncommon for new airliners to briefly go supersonic whilst testing (in a dive for example?).

Having said that, with my track record over the last couple of posts I'm almost certainly talking complete bks

I haven't heard that MOST airliners go supersonic. In fact, the modern generation of airliners have lower Mach limiting numbers than those designed in the 50s and 60s.
The DC-8 that did go supersonic was on test prior to delivery to Canadian Pacific and was a series 43, a version powered by the Rolls Royce Conway (like the VC-10).
The flight was actually in 1961.

Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 7th April 10:56

[M-J-B]

Eric Mc said:

M-J-B said:

Eric Mc said:

PAUL. S said:

I had been told that one of the current RAF VC10s is the actual airframe that achieved the fastest ever speed for a passenger jet airliner before Concorde in a test over the Atlantic in the 70s, and now with concords demise, its the fastest airliner still flying.

Appartently its one of the ones due to be scrapped but due to its history may be saved - I think its an ex east african airways super vc10, but could be wrong. Anyone know which airframe it is? and any pics

I do know that Douglas DC-8 went supersonic in a test flight in the late 1950s.

I thought I saw on a Discovery program that it's not uncommon for new airliners to briefly go supersonic whilst testing (in a dive for example?).

Having said that, with my track record over the last couple of posts I'm almost certainly talking complete bks

I haven't heard that MOST airliners go supersonic. In fact, the modern generation of airliners have lower Mach limiting numbers than those designed in the 50s and 60s.
The DC-8 that did go supersonic was on test prior to delivery to Canadian Pacific and was a series 43, a version powered by the Rolls Royce Conway (like the VC-10).
The flight was actually in 1961.

Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 7th April 10:56

Not sure we said MOST?

[FourWheelDrift]

PAUL. S said:

I had been told that one of the current RAF VC10s is the actual airframe that achieved the fastest ever speed for a passenger jet airliner before Concorde in a test over the Atlantic in the 70s, and now with concords demise, its the fastest airliner still flying.

Apparently its one of the ones due to be scrapped but due to its history may be saved - I think its an ex east african airways super vc10, but could be wrong. Anyone know which airframe it is? and any pics

Edited by PAUL. S on Wednesday 7th April 09:56

If so it will be on here - http://www.vc10.net/History/other_operators.html

I'm on my mobile so can't do too much checking and searching, but that lists all operators and all surviving VC10s with the RAF.

[Eric Mc]

M-J-B said:

Eric Mc said:

M-J-B said:

Eric Mc said:

PAUL. S said:

I had been told that one of the current RAF VC10s is the actual airframe that achieved the fastest ever speed for a passenger jet airliner before Concorde in a test over the Atlantic in the 70s, and now with concords demise, its the fastest airliner still flying.

Appartently its one of the ones due to be scrapped but due to its history may be saved - I think its an ex east african airways super vc10, but could be wrong. Anyone know which airframe it is? and any pics

I do know that Douglas DC-8 went supersonic in a test flight in the late 1950s.

I thought I saw on a Discovery program that it's not uncommon for new airliners to briefly go supersonic whilst testing (in a dive for example?).

Having said that, with my track record over the last couple of posts I'm almost certainly talking complete bks

I haven't heard that MOST airliners go supersonic. In fact, the modern generation of airliners have lower Mach limiting numbers than those designed in the 50s and 60s.
The DC-8 that did go supersonic was on test prior to delivery to Canadian Pacific and was a series 43, a version powered by the Rolls Royce Conway (like the VC-10).
The flight was actually in 1961.

Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 7th April 10:56

Not sure we said MOST?

Most?
Uncommon?

I haven't heard that ANY modern airliners actually go supersonic.

You can get local supersonic airflow over parts of the airframe. But that doesn't mean that the aircraft itself has actually exceeded the speed of sound.

[RizzoTheRat]

An Canadian 747 got bloody close some years back, a fault in the autopilot caused an uncommanded roll and by the time the crew realised and took over it had reached something like 95 degrees of bank.

By the power of google...
http://www.ntsb.gov/Recs/letters/1992/A92_31_35.pd...

Mach 0.98 and a 3G pull up.

[Eric Mc]

Going supersonic in uncontrolled flight isn't quite something to boast about.

[james_tigerwoods]

Eric Mc said:

Going supersonic in uncontrolled flight isn't quite something to boast about.

What would happen to a passenger aircraft - or any non supersonic aircraft for that matter - if it did?