Post amazingly cool pictures of aircraft (Volume 1)

[Ross1988]

bob1179 said:

Eric Mc said:

bob1179 said:

Rizzo, awesome pictures. I had no idea there were any 'proper' style flying boats left.

A bit of internet research reveals it is a Martin Mars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JRM_Mars

These are still being built



This has been in limited production in recent years





As is this



So the large flying boat isn't quite extinct yet.

I'm familiar with the Beriev as I saw it at Maks last year, the other two are a suprise though.

I love big flying boats, they really do look fantastic.

The Dornier flying boat, What's the viewing dome for? does it serve a practical purpose? from that view it doesn't look like you can see much

[pacman1]

^ Would a gunner sit there in a military application?

[FourWheelDrift]

Ross1988 said:

The Dornier flying boat, What's the viewing dome for? does it serve a practical purpose? from that view it doesn't look like you can see much

It's an observation dome, plenty big enough. There are windows left and right side as well.

[dr_gn]

FourWheelDrift said:

Ross1988 said:

The Dornier flying boat, What's the viewing dome for? does it serve a practical purpose? from that view it doesn't look like you can see much

It's an observation dome, plenty big enough. There are windows left and right side as well.

I don't think the Do.24 is in limited production, or any form of production - it was a one-off conversion to turboprops.

Originally, the 'observation dome' was a gun turret on may variants:

Edited by dr_gn on Friday 2nd April 15:16

[FourWheelDrift]

Ross1988 said:

Was looking for some Hercules conducting jet assisted landings, but I cant find any. I may of read/imagined they were trying to see if the could land Hercules in football stadiums.

In fact i must of imagined that.

You need to watch this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gXfK4ypirI and the other videos listed.

[Eric Mc]

dr_gn said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Ross1988 said:

The Dornier flying boat, What's the viewing dome for? does it serve a practical purpose? from that view it doesn't look like you can see much

It's an observation dome, plenty big enough. There are windows left and right side as well.

I don't think the Do.24 is in limited production, or any form of production - it was a one-off conversion to turboprops.

Originally, the 'observation dome' was a gun turret on may variants:

Edited by dr_gn on Friday 2nd April 15:16

Weren't they hoping that the Do24 would re-enter production?

[Ross1988]

FourWheelDrift said:

Ross1988 said:

Was looking for some Hercules conducting jet assisted landings, but I cant find any. I may of read/imagined they were trying to see if the could land Hercules in football stadiums.

In fact i must of imagined that.

You need to watch this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gXfK4ypirI and the other videos listed.

Thanks for that!

I knew I had not imagined it....honest

[dr_gn]

Eric Mc said:

dr_gn said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Ross1988 said:

The Dornier flying boat, What's the viewing dome for? does it serve a practical purpose? from that view it doesn't look like you can see much

It's an observation dome, plenty big enough. There are windows left and right side as well.

I don't think the Do.24 is in limited production, or any form of production - it was a one-off conversion to turboprops.

Originally, the 'observation dome' was a gun turret on may variants:

Edited by dr_gn on Friday 2nd April 15:16

Weren't they hoping that the Do24 would re-enter production?

No idea - I saw it in Hamburg a few years ago. It was just described as a one off, although I think they made some other turboprop versions many years ago (with different engines again from the one in question).

[havoc]

All this talk of flying boats is reminding me of my first job post-Uni. It was in Gravesend and our offices had a view of the Thames Estuary. What do we see sailing* down there but the last Sunderland on her way to (IIRC) S.Africa or Australia! Beautiful old bus...




* Yes, there were a few quips about how long it was going to take them!

[pacman1]

High speed mine layer. Four engined, with afterburners, I kid you not!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6M_SeaMaster

Edited by pacman1 on Monday 5th April 09:38

[FourWheelDrift]

havoc said:

All this talk of flying boats is reminding me of my first job post-Uni. It was in Gravesend and our offices had a view of the Thames Estuary. What do we see sailing* down there but the last Sunderland on her way to (IIRC) S.Africa or Australia! Beautiful old bus...

* Yes, there were a few quips about how long it was going to take them!

Sure that wasn't the one bought by Kermit Weeks and flown to the US in 1993?

Loadsaphotos - http://www.ivyandmartin.demon.co.uk/martinphotos/s...

Edited by FourWheelDrift on Friday 2nd April 18:38

[RizzoTheRat]

FourWheelDrift said:

Loadsaphotos - http://www.ivyandmartin.demon.co.uk/martinphotos/s...

That's beautiful. Looks a bit ungainly on the beaching gear though.

[havoc]

FourWheelDrift said:

havoc said:

All this talk of flying boats is reminding me of my first job post-Uni. It was in Gravesend and our offices had a view of the Thames Estuary. What do we see sailing* down there but the last Sunderland on her way to (IIRC) S.Africa or Australia! Beautiful old bus...

* Yes, there were a few quips about how long it was going to take them!

Sure that wasn't the one bought by Kermit Weeks and flown to the US in 1993?

Loadsaphotos - http://www.ivyandmartin.demon.co.uk/martinphotos/s...

I'm not THAT old!

Nah...this was summer 1997, and it was the Sunderland that had been on display on the Medway (? Thames ?) for some years before that.

[topsparks]

FourWheelDrift said:

havoc said:

All this talk of flying boats is reminding me of my first job post-Uni. It was in Gravesend and our offices had a view of the Thames Estuary. What do we see sailing* down there but the last Sunderland on her way to (IIRC) S.Africa or Australia! Beautiful old bus...

* Yes, there were a few quips about how long it was going to take them!

Sure that wasn't the one bought by Kermit Weeks and flown to the US in 1993?

Loadsaphotos - http://www.ivyandmartin.demon.co.uk/martinphotos/s...

Edited by FourWheelDrift on Friday 2nd April 18:38

Seen it at the museum,the 13Amp sockets fitted to it were a bit of a give away that it was from the UK!,there are some fantastic aircraft there and its well worth a visit if your nr Orlando.

[moleamol]

Ross1988 said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Ross1988 said:

Was looking for some Hercules conducting jet assisted landings, but I cant find any. I may of read/imagined they were trying to see if the could land Hercules in football stadiums.

In fact i must of imagined that.

You need to watch this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gXfK4ypirI and the other videos listed.

Thanks for that!

I knew I had not imagined it....honest

The Blue Angels still use it for airshows I think. Linky.

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

Ross1988 said:

Was looking for some Hercules conducting jet assisted landings, but I cant find any. I may of read/imagined they were trying to see if the could land Hercules in football stadiums.

In fact i must of imagined that.

The JATO system on the Herc was trialled relatively early on. Indeed the RAF C130K models had the plumbing and wiring for the system, but did not carry the actual JATO gear. IIRC it was only the CMk 1 aircraft (short fuselage) and not the CMk 3 aircraft (long fuselage) that had this.

Part of the problem with JATO gear is that it was known to have a problem with initiation of the motors - if one side fired before the other it would flip the aircraft on its back in about no time squared - NOT conducive to crew confidence!

WRT the assisted landing system, as can be seen from the video, it had a habit of snapping the aircraft in half on landing. I believe the system was trialled prior to 1980 and, had it been successful, there was a plan to fit it to the EC130's involved in the Iran hostage rescue of April 1980. The fact that the system could not be made reliable meant that it was not fitted for the operation.

If you can find it, then a good video (sold by the Sqns at Lyneham in the early 1990's) is 'On Time, On Target' which also shows some interesting footage of the US Carrier landing trials with the Hercules.

[RizzoTheRat]

Wasn't there a fault that caused the braking rockets to fire too early on the Credible Sport crash?


Speaking of Herc's, how about this?



They were testing a system of blown flaps and controls for high lift, so I'm guessing it could well be flying at a negative angle of attack here.

[Condieboy]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

If you can find it, then a good video (sold by the Sqns at Lyneham in the early 1990's) is 'On Time, On Target' which also shows some interesting footage of the US Carrier landing trials with the Hercules.

USS Forrestal landing

Balls of fking titanium.

[Mojocvh]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

Ross1988 said:

Was looking for some Hercules conducting jet assisted landings, but I cant find any. I may of read/imagined they were trying to see if the could land Hercules in football stadiums.

In fact i must of imagined that.

The JATO system on the Herc was trialled relatively early on. Indeed the RAF C130K models had the plumbing and wiring for the system, but did not carry the actual JATO gear. IIRC it was only the CMk 1 aircraft (short fuselage) and not the CMk 3 aircraft (long fuselage) that had this.

Part of the problem with JATO gear is that it was known to have a problem with initiation of the motors - if one side fired before the other it would flip the aircraft on its back in about no time squared - NOT conducive to crew confidence!

WRT the assisted landing system, as can be seen from the video, it had a habit of snapping the aircraft in half on landing. I believe the system was trialled prior to 1980 and, had it been successful, there was a plan to fit it to the EC130's involved in the Iran hostage rescue of April 1980. The fact that the system could not be made reliable meant that it was not fitted for the operation.

If you can find it, then a good video (sold by the Sqns at Lyneham in the early 1990's) is 'On Time, On Target' which also shows some interesting footage of the US Carrier landing trials with the Hercules.

That was some kind of deal to rescue the Iranian hostages. I think when they trialled it the aircraft took off ok with the EXTRA JATO systems fitted (the second half of the rescue) but the "reverse" jato systems fitted to basically stop the aircraft "dead" on target caused the aircraft to literally break up when it was triggered. There IS a video somewhere of it.

Ahah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gXfK4ypirI

Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 3rd April 15:11

[JonRB]

Mojocvh said:

That was some kind of deal to rescue the Iranian hostages. I think when they trialled it the aircraft took off ok with the EXTRA JATO systems fitted (the second half of the rescue) but the "reverse" jato systems fitted to basically stop the aircraft "dead" on target caused the aircraft to literally break up when it was triggered. There IS a video somewhere of it.

I know this is a huge and long thread so I won't give anyone any grief for reposts, but this was called "Credible Sport" and there are photos and a discussion of it somewhere in the thread. Actually, I think it may have been me who posted them.

The Wikipedia entry for it isn't too bad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Credible_Sp...

Edited by JonRB on Saturday 3rd April 15:55