WW2 Plane Crash Wreck Hunting

WW2 Plane Crash Wreck Hunting

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gshughes

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1,277 posts

256 months

Saturday 7th February 2009
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I know there are quite a few plane spotters here (Eric Mc being the top dog ?!- I am a bit of an enthusiast too, but like cars better !

Thought there might however be some mild interest in this site which has been going for a while outlining the exploits of my cousin and his mate who "collect" mainly WW2 plane wrecks - I have only seen one myself, the remains of the Wellington that came down on Goat Fell on the Isle of Arran.

It is a very poignant subject, and don't worry they treat these remains, many of which are war graves, with the due respect they demand.

Aircraft Crash Sites of Scotland

gshughes

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1,277 posts

256 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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I guess that is a no then !

Scuba enthusiasts might like to have a look at the heroic failures bit, they dived in a scottish loch in Feb to try and find a reputed wreck at the bottom - only one problem, the regulator froze and dumped all the air! Brave, or more likely stupid.

Captain Cadillac

2,974 posts

188 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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Wow, surprised this didn't get more comments, fantastic site.

Jasandjules

69,922 posts

230 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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I have to admit one of my dream dives is Truk Lagoon. To see the wrecks there must be awe inspiring.

AS for scotland, too cold to dive (my OH won't dive anywhere which is not tropical) so I wouldn't get to go there.

THX138

483 posts

194 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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All that old stuff is interesting, I found the 'bits of crashed WW2 aircraft' section at Duxford strangely fascinating.

Posted this a while back, but seems little interest on here, they all seem to get excited about rusty cars in old sheds though!

WW2 Wreck

Edited by THX138 on Tuesday 10th February 08:23

Eric Mc

122,043 posts

266 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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Even amongst aircraft enthusiasts (like me), aircraft wreck archaeology is very much a minority interest. I am quite happy to look at recovered pieces - or even whole airframes - recoverd from crash sites but I'm not up to tramping around the Cairngorms or Snowdonia to find bits of rusted metal.

Shar2

2,220 posts

214 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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Eric Mc said:
Even amongst aircraft enthusiasts (like me), aircraft wreck archaeology is very much a minority interest. I am quite happy to look at recovered pieces - or even whole airframes - recoverd from crash sites but I'm not up to tramping around the Cairngorms or Snowdonia to find bits of rusted metal.
About sums up my interest in the subject as well. Although i wouldn't mind trying to find the crash site of a Dakota in which my great uncle died just before the end of the war.

richw_82

992 posts

187 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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On the A57 Snake Pass in Derbyshire, the Pennine Way crosses it at the it's highest point. A mile to the north along the path, puts some big rocks to the west of you known as "Higher Shelf Stones". Up on the top of there is what's left of a Boeing B29 Superfortress. There's engines, landing gear, wings, and a memorial cairn.

The hills up here are that bad that there were over 140 aircarft hit them during WW2. Within the sighting distance of the B-29 are the remains of an Avro Lancaster, and a Douglas C-47.

Regards

Ric

Monkey boy 1

2,063 posts

232 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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richw_82 said:
On the A57 Snake Pass in Derbyshire, the Pennine Way crosses it at the it's highest point. A mile to the north along the path, puts some big rocks to the west of you known as "Higher Shelf Stones". Up on the top of there is what's left of a Boeing B29 Superfortress. There's engines, landing gear, wings, and a memorial cairn.

The hills up here are that bad that there were over 140 aircarft hit them during WW2. Within the sighting distance of the B-29 are the remains of an Avro Lancaster, and a Douglas C-47.

Regards

Ric
Yep, been to that one, It's quite an experience to think you are walking around a crash site that took the lives of many people. Also if they had been about abother 20feet or so higher, they would have missed the hill.

richw_82

992 posts

187 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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What makes it worse is that they were on their way back to the USA. Survive the war, then be killed in bad weather condiitions on your way back.... bad luck. It is a very sobering place.

Eric Mc

122,043 posts

266 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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Was this B-29 crash from a few years after WW2? There were no B-29s based in Europe during or immediately after WW2. They were all in use in the Pacific thatre.

richw_82

992 posts

187 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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1947 was when it crashed. It had been in the pacific and had been poart of the 509th composite group, and took part in the atom bomb tests.

No B-29's in Europe? That's what I thought... but it doesn't explain why there's one in the Ijsselmeer.

Ric


Fezant Pluckah

1,711 posts

212 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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Jasandjules said:
I have to admit one of my dream dives is Truk Lagoon. To see the wrecks there must be awe inspiring.
Lookie heresmile

Yertis

18,059 posts

267 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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I once dug about in the crashsite of a B24, found few bits of melted metal, and a radio knob.

All the best sites have been dug by now I should think.

RicksAlfas

13,406 posts

245 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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richw_82 said:
On the A57 Snake Pass in Derbyshire, the Pennine Way crosses it at the it's highest point. A mile to the north along the path, puts some big rocks to the west of you known as "Higher Shelf Stones". Up on the top of there is what's left of a Boeing B29 Superfortress. There's engines, landing gear, wings, and a memorial cairn.

The hills up here are that bad that there were over 140 aircarft hit them during WW2. Within the sighting distance of the B-29 are the remains of an Avro Lancaster, and a Douglas C-47.

Regards

Ric
Thanks for that. I wouldn't mind having a look around there.

Eric Mc

122,043 posts

266 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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It depends on when it crashed there. Immediately after the end of the war in Europe (May 1945), the vast fleets of B-17s and B-24s that had been based in Britain returned home - mostly for scrapping.

The war in Asia ended in August 1945 and the B-29s stationed out in the Pacific flew back to the US. The B-29s were still fairly new and they were not scrapped. Indeed, production continued into the 1950s together with the improved derivative, the B-50.

In 1947 the United States Army Air Force (USAAF) was disbanded and reformed as the United States Air Force (USAF). A division of this new force, Strategic Air Command, was established to act as the USA's nuclear deterrent against the Soviet Union. It's boss was Curtis Le May, who had been in charge of the USAAF 8th Air Force based in Britain during the war. He immdediately set aboput deploying a large chunk of his strategic bomber force in the UK, re-activating some of the WW2 airfields and taking over a few from the RAF. As a result, from 1947 onwards, B-29s began to be ac common sight in the UK.

In the early 1950s, the RAF received asmall number of B-29s of their own (called Washingtons) pending the delivery of the first Canberras.

Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 10th February 10:27

Captain Cadillac

2,974 posts

188 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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There were a handful of B-29s in Europe at the end of WW2 but they never saw combat to my knowledge. After the war there were a few based in England.

Eric Mc

122,043 posts

266 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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I'm certainly not aware of any B-29 missions over Europe in WW2.

What were they doing in the UK and where were they based?

Simpo Two

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266 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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Captain Cadillac said:
There were a handful of B-29s in Europe at the end of WW2 but they never saw combat to my knowledge. After the war there were a few based in England.
He's right: http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1068298/

cazzer

8,883 posts

249 months

Tuesday 10th February 2009
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Eric, you might be able to help here.....
When I was a kid, (i'd guess this was about 1975 or so) I remember watching a news report about the finding of two buried bombers on the moors. My brain has turned them into Lancasters over the years, but they may not have been.
They were found buried, wrapped in oilskins with the wings off and put at the sides down the side of the fusilage.
I seem to remember something about them being stored during the war in case of invasion or some such.
Do you know anything about this or is it so vague I have no hope of finding out what it was?


Or perhaps I just dreamed it smile