Britain told "No Access" to F-35 Software codes
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Sylvaforever said:
Evanivitch said:
And you know this bit of highly sensitive data how? Watched the display at RIAT through a clip-on FLIR?
You are living in cloud cukoo land if you believe this airframe has a realistic stealth capability in IR/UV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzyH0M4C8TY
Evanivitch said:
Why does the F35 need superior speed, range and weapons if it has superior target acquisition and BVR capability? You're applying cold ware top-trumps to a 21st century platform. How many guns does a T45 have?
You've missed my previous points on datalinks. The F35 can easily bridge a legacy Link 16 platform to a paired MDAL F35.
And regarding AMRAAM. Well, pick your source.
On a 3D battlefield speed and range get your A/C to a location where it can use it weapons - if it's short on all three (F35) then that's an issue for an interceptor (but not a strike A/C with limited self defence capability).You've missed my previous points on datalinks. The F35 can easily bridge a legacy Link 16 platform to a paired MDAL F35.
And regarding AMRAAM. Well, pick your source.
The TDL back to legacy A/C is still Link16 with all its limitations compared to MADL, so yes it "can" talk to a legacy A/C but only using tech that's already available so there's no "superior" TDL.
AMRAAM - My "source" would be operational use from my time as RAF groundcrew on the Typhoon during the Libya conflict with the C-7 variant. The D variant has a reported 100nm+ range when launched by an A/C at 60000+ ft and Mach 1.5+ so not exactly operational use.
aeropilot said:
Yeah, like we should be relying on those when they can't operate for extended periods in 'warm' waters, and they keep getting total power failures of which a 'solution' to is still be evaluated, but will most likely invlove dry dock, major work including cutting open the hull to install bigger, better gennie's etc.!!!!
One T45 has already been reduced to 'port training ship' duties, and may not even return to front line duties in the future.
Usual MOD procurement/do-it-on-the-cheap/clusterf
k fiasco.Evanivitch said:
LOL. That's afterburner, it's not always on...
I won't call you a rude name, however just point out the airframes marginal (and that's being kind) transonic acceleration in full afterburger (or as real airmen say reheat).However, if I may ask? do you know what happens to air when you compress it, like in a transonic shock wave...
Sylvaforever said:
I won't call you a rude name, however just point out the airframes marginal (and that's being kind) transonic acceleration in full afterburger (or as real airmen say reheat).
However, if I may ask? do you know what happens to air when you compress it, like in a transonic shock wave...
I'm an Aerospace Engineering graduate with several years in UK defence industry.However, if I may ask? do you know what happens to air when you compress it, like in a transonic shock wave...
You keep up the Walt work and I'm sure you'll prove engineers and users wrong.
Evanivitch said:
Please can we stop applying cold war ideas to a 21st century aircraft?
I dont know anywhere near enough to make a real call on the F35s capacities, but i cant help but wonder if this thinking is going to lead to another F-4 scenario (stuck over vietnam without a gun, just missiles)Speaking of which, the F-35 does have a gun, what would be the point of that if everything is going to be handled at long range through datalinks and BVR missiles?
Vitorio said:
Evanivitch said:
Please can we stop applying cold war ideas to a 21st century aircraft?
I dont know anywhere near enough to make a real call on the F35s capacities, but i cant help but wonder if this thinking is going to lead to another F-4 scenario (stuck over vietnam without a gun, just missiles)Speaking of which, the F-35 does have a gun, what would be the point of that if everything is going to be handled at long range through datalinks and BVR missiles?
Vitorio said:
I dont know anywhere near enough to make a real call on the F35s capacities, but i cant help but wonder if this thinking is going to lead to another F-4 scenario (stuck over vietnam without a gun, just missiles)
Speaking of which, the F-35 does have a gun, what would be the point of that if everything is going to be handled at long range through datalinks and BVR missiles?
Politically, it's designed to replace the A10 warthog, there was no way it would be accepted for that role (CAS) without a gun.Speaking of which, the F-35 does have a gun, what would be the point of that if everything is going to be handled at long range through datalinks and BVR missiles?
Evanivitch said:
Vitorio said:
I dont know anywhere near enough to make a real call on the F35s capacities, but i cant help but wonder if this thinking is going to lead to another F-4 scenario (stuck over vietnam without a gun, just missiles)
Speaking of which, the F-35 does have a gun, what would be the point of that if everything is going to be handled at long range through datalinks and BVR missiles?
Politically, it's designed to replace the A10 warthog, there was no way it would be accepted for that role (CAS) without a gun.Speaking of which, the F-35 does have a gun, what would be the point of that if everything is going to be handled at long range through datalinks and BVR missiles?
telecat said:
It cannot do that job either. USAF now looking at a turnkey solution. Along the lines of an armed Tucano or T-6 then a 21st century even better protected A-10 replacement.
Completely agree. As I said, it's a political decision. Similarly, the Tucano or T-6 can't replace the A10Warthog either as neither would last 2 seconds against a semi-competent GBAD. But, in the current conflict, they would be a cheap option. Personally I think an AC130 is the better option. Especially with SDB/hellfire package.
aeropilot said:
Yes, only the A version has an internal 25mm GAU-22 multi barrel cannon.........with a rate of fire of 3,000 rds/m........which sounds great until you find it can only carry 180 odd rds of ammo.... 
Let's not forget that the Eurofighter reportedly only carries 150 rounds, and that the RAD were originally going to only fit ballast and not a gun.Again, the F35 is only politically an A10 Warthog replacement, it's effectiveness in the CAS role is more a development of the F16.
Evanivitch said:
Completely agree. As I said, it's a political decision. Similarly, the Tucano or T-6 can't replace the A10Warthog either as neither would last 2 seconds against a semi-competent GBAD.
The A10 didn't do too well either in GW1 did it? Too much damage taken in the first few days to be allowed to stay below 12k feet...Mave said:
The A10 didn't do too well either in GW1 did it? Too much damage taken in the first few days to be allowed to stay below 12k feet...
From accounts, I thought it did okay against a fairly well equipped Iraqi force. It flew a huge number of sorties and took some losses, but certainly not what you could call unreasonable given the role. At the end of the day it's an aircraft designed to take fire, not avoid it.Mave said:
Evanivitch said:
Completely agree. As I said, it's a political decision. Similarly, the Tucano or T-6 can't replace the A10Warthog either as neither would last 2 seconds against a semi-competent GBAD.
The A10 didn't do too well either in GW1 did it? Too much damage taken in the first few days to be allowed to stay below 12k feet...I guess you believe the senior USAF officers 'reasons to retire the A10' book of excuses......rather than what the A-10 and its pilots achieved in GW1 and in the 25 years of ops since.
And when is that likely to happen then?
Sure against an insurgency it might be the case but, given that everyone and his dog can get their hands on MANPADS and HMGs these days, I wouldn't be so sure.
Super Tucano / PC9 whatever isn't an ideal solution by any stretch of the imaginatione but they are a hell of a lot more manoeuvreble than an Albert.
Sure against an insurgency it might be the case but, given that everyone and his dog can get their hands on MANPADS and HMGs these days, I wouldn't be so sure.
Super Tucano / PC9 whatever isn't an ideal solution by any stretch of the imaginatione but they are a hell of a lot more manoeuvreble than an Albert.
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