Britain told "No Access" to F-35 Software codes

Britain told "No Access" to F-35 Software codes

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Mave

8,209 posts

216 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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Sylvaforever said:
Mave said:
Sylvaforever said:
Mave said:
Sylvaforever said:
Google "pogo f18e". The same organisation was saying pretty much the same thing about the super hornet when that went through IOC 15 years ago...
So you are saying it will take F35 15 years to become combat ready then.so that's 13 years service, from 2016.
That only makes sense if you are suggesting that the Super Hornet has only become combat ready this year...when in reality it was performing combat missions in Iraq a year after IOC (and a year after POGO said it would never be combat ready...)
there's combat missions.





and there's COMBAT missions. wink
Yes, the f18e flew refuelling missions in Iraq. It also dropped bombs, flew CAS, strike and SEAD according to our friend Wikipedia. Are you suggesting that this doesn't count as COMBAT, or that Wikipedia is wrong in this instance?

telecat

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8,528 posts

242 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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Its still like the F35 the wrong plane. The F18E just about performs to spec. Even that is not particularity good and that's a problem. You have to laugh at Boeing putting the F/A18 up to replace the F16. Buy the latest F16. It's a better platform.

Mave

8,209 posts

216 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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telecat said:
Its still like the F35 the wrong plane. The F18E just about performs to spec. Even that is not particularity good and that's a problem. You have to laugh at Boeing putting the F/A18 up to replace the F16. Buy the latest F16. It's a better platform.
My point wasn't about whether or not the f18e is a good plane or the right plane. It was about taking the pronouncements of POGO with a pinch of salt.

Talksteer

4,890 posts

234 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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maffski said:
Evanivitch said:
You still have to acquire the target using radar before you launch, and keep it updated during flight. It's all on the website.
Against a fast jet yes. Against a helicopter doing slow moving pop up attacks the target won't manoeuvre enough to be out of the missiles IR seeker range, so there's no need for mid course correction.

The UK's Land Ceptor should be able to do the same NLOS engagements. These networked weapons aren't tied to sensors; they're just given the co-ordinates to fly to and then rely on their onboard sensors.
Bare in mind that the missile will be flying at about 1km/s a helicopter may be impossible to hit from the launch position if there isn't a line of sight.

Also a near stationary helicopter against the ground that is jamming and decoying is no easy target.

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

99 months

Saturday 17th September 2016
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Mave said:
telecat said:
Its still like the F35 the wrong plane. The F18E just about performs to spec. Even that is not particularity good and that's a problem. You have to laugh at Boeing putting the F/A18 up to replace the F16. Buy the latest F16. It's a better platform.
My point wasn't about whether or not the f18e is a good plane or the right plane. It was about taking the pronouncements of POGO with a pinch of salt.
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/15-f-35-models-grounded-due-to-wiring-issue

WASHINGTON — The US Air Force has ordered the grounding of 13 F-35A models, as well as a pair of Norwegian F-35As, following the discovery of "peeling and crumbling" coolant tube insulation.

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Saturday 17th September 2016
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Talksteer said:
Also a near stationary helicopter against the ground that is jamming and decoying is no easy target.
With a SAM maybe - but really rather trivial if you have a gun.

Mave

8,209 posts

216 months

Saturday 17th September 2016
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Sylvaforever said:
Mave said:
telecat said:
Its still like the F35 the wrong plane. The F18E just about performs to spec. Even that is not particularity good and that's a problem. You have to laugh at Boeing putting the F/A18 up to replace the F16. Buy the latest F16. It's a better platform.
My point wasn't about whether or not the f18e is a good plane or the right plane. It was about taking the pronouncements of POGO with a pinch of salt.
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/15-f-35-models-grounded-due-to-wiring-issue

WASHINGTON — The US Air Force has ordered the grounding of 13 F-35A models, as well as a pair of Norwegian F-35As, following the discovery of "peeling and crumbling" coolant tube insulation.
What's your point? It's a manufacturing issue, of the kind that bugs any aircraft programme. If you look at any aircraft type, there will be issued being worked on a risk based approach, and it's nothing to do with the POGO report.

Talksteer

4,890 posts

234 months

Saturday 17th September 2016
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davepoth said:
Talksteer said:
Also a near stationary helicopter against the ground that is jamming and decoying is no easy target.
With a SAM maybe - but really rather trivial if you have a gun.
Hence the cold war mission wasn't to overfly enemy positions.

When the Soviets rolled into Germany attack helicopters would swarm to the breach and pick off tanks with long range missiles.

Shilkas would have been about a kilometer behind the tanks and would be at a distinct range disadvantage.

It's only because the opposition had only light weapons that we fly helicopters over them.



MartG

20,700 posts

205 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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Seems they may have an issue if started up pointing the wrong way....

"The US Air Force says a strong tailwind is behind the flight line fire that has grounded yet another of its F-35 fighter aircraft.

The F-35A caught fire while getting ready to fly an exercise from Mountain Home Air Force Base in Idaho. It was one of seven at the base for surface-to-air training.

The fire happened while the pilot was starting the F-35; the pilot exited the aircraft while it was extinguished, and the US Air Force says there were no injuries.

While the cause of the fire is still under investigation, Aviation Week says “initial assessments point to a tailpipe fire due to strong tailwinds as the engine was starting.”

If accurate, that would point to a buildup of excessive heat in the jet's tailpipe. Aviation Week says at the time, winds were gusting up to 70 km/h (45 mph) from the northwest to west-by-northwest.

Last week's fire appears unrelated to an incident in 2014, when an F-35 at Eglin Air Force Base caught fire due to excessive blade rubbing in the jet's Pratt & Whitney F135 engine."

aeropilot

34,711 posts

228 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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MartG said:
Seems they may have an issue if started up pointing the wrong way....
Saw that this morning.

Good job they aren't going to used on aircraft carriers then......



Oh, hang on.....rolleyes



baldy1926

2,136 posts

201 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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My mate is a manager at Marham and is in contact regularly with the contractors there.
Apparently the hangers will have to be hermetically sealed and they will have to stay in side until flying.
They also dont like the rain and will have to stay tucked up if raining hard.
So basically dirty air, high winds and wet weather they cant do anything.
This may be rubbish but he has a fairly senior position on the camp so i dont dis-believe him.

MartG

20,700 posts

205 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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baldy1926 said:
....They also dont like the rain and will have to stay tucked up if raining hard.
So basically dirty air, high winds and wet weather they cant do anything....
So, useless in conditions usually found on a carrier then... frown

Evanivitch

20,180 posts

123 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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baldy1926 said:
My mate is a manager at Marham and is in contact regularly with the contractors there.
Apparently the hangers will have to be hermetically sealed and they will have to stay in side until flying.
They also dont like the rain and will have to stay tucked up if raining hard.
So basically dirty air, high winds and wet weather they cant do anything.
This may be rubbish but he has a fairly senior position on the camp so i dont dis-believe him.
This isn't an issue new to the F35, but one that has been seen on several modern aircraft including the B2 and the F22.

Hell, even the RAF Armoured CBRN vehicles became hunks of junk after being left outside so it's not even an aircraft only issue.

aeropilot

34,711 posts

228 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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Evanivitch said:
baldy1926 said:
My mate is a manager at Marham and is in contact regularly with the contractors there.
Apparently the hangers will have to be hermetically sealed and they will have to stay in side until flying.
They also dont like the rain and will have to stay tucked up if raining hard.
So basically dirty air, high winds and wet weather they cant do anything.
This may be rubbish but he has a fairly senior position on the camp so i dont dis-believe him.
This isn't an issue new to the F35, but one that has been seen on several modern aircraft including the B2 and the F22.
Neither of which were designed to be operated in the hostile environment of carrier ops wink

Evanivitch

20,180 posts

123 months

Monday 26th September 2016
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aeropilot said:
Neither of which were designed to be operated in the hostile environment of carrier ops wink
And even aircraft designed for naval use suffer the affects of carrier use.

Doesn't matter how much Nickel and Cadmium you stick on it.

MartG

20,700 posts

205 months

hidetheelephants

24,577 posts

194 months

Monday 12th December 2016
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MartG said:
What an appalling travesty of journalism.

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

99 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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aeropilot said:
Evanivitch said:
baldy1926 said:
My mate is a manager at Marham and is in contact regularly with the contractors there.
Apparently the hangers will have to be hermetically sealed and they will have to stay in side until flying.
They also dont like the rain and will have to stay tucked up if raining hard.
So basically dirty air, high winds and wet weather they cant do anything.
This may be rubbish but he has a fairly senior position on the camp so i dont dis-believe him.
This isn't an issue new to the F35, but one that has been seen on several modern aircraft including the B2 and the F22.
Neither of which were designed to be operated in the hostile environment of carrier ops wink
how odd then that the various lines are all shown to operate from Sun shelters under the great plan?

The Don of Croy

6,002 posts

160 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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Quote from Jeff Babione (CEO of Lockheed Martin)-

“We understand the importance of affordability and that’s what the F-35 has been about.”

- in response to The Donald. Other opinions of F35 value for money may differ...

aeropilot

34,711 posts

228 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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The Don of Croy said:
Quote from Jeff Babione (CEO of Lockheed Martin)-

“We understand the importance of affordability and that’s what the F-35 has been about.”

- in response to The Donald. Other opinions of F35 value for money may differ...
It's staggering what it's turned into from the original design brief which was to provide....

"A new affordable lightweight stealth strike aircraft to replace the F-16"

rofl

Which to be fair, had they stuck to the brief of doing just that, it might well have been.......until some dim spark thought it would be a good idea to try and turn the design into a one-size-fits-all land, carrier and STOVL aircraft banghead