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Speculatore said:
OK... The official video of my current project - Sailing Yacht 'Black Pearl' released in time for the Monaco Yacht Show. On delivery she will be the largest and most ecologically advanced private sailing yacht in the world.
SY Black Pearl
That's very very impressive! All those involved must be very proud. I could see a few teary eyes during the launch. SY Black Pearl
I'll look forward to seeing her on the circuit next season
FourWheelDrift said:
BullyB said:
I was trying to find some more info about Serene being on the rocks in Egypt.
This is all I could find.
Not going to be cheap
http://www.thehoworths.com/superyacht-news/royal-y...
https://medium.com/@joejohn789/mohammed-bin-salman...This is all I could find.
Not going to be cheap
http://www.thehoworths.com/superyacht-news/royal-y...
ked up......Burwood said:
Here’s the thing. Who in there right mind would track that close to a reef/structure. Maybe the area is riddled with such dangers. Yachts like this have redundant systems. You don’t just lose propulsion. Well you can but it would have some back up. Guaranteed. I don’t buy the story. Just my opinion.
I'm not sure of your background so don't want to cause offence but losing propulsion is perfectly plausible. I'm not certain but I'll assume(first mistake!!) being a not so old fincantieti build that Serene is diesel-electric. With that, losing a generator from the board could stop propulsion, as would a prop convertor fault, cooling water pump failure or even an earth fault on the PEM itself. There are many many ways it could happen, some bad luck, some bad maintenance, some operator error. Some finger errors by engineers during planned maintenance operations.
Yes there is a redundancy in that most DE ships of that size are twin screw and have 2 propulsion motors. Thus a fault in one won't be a show stopper but speed and manouvering will be seriously restricted.
Easy to speculate, regardless it's a nasty situation.
ColdoRS said:
Burwood said:
Here’s the thing. Who in there right mind would track that close to a reef/structure. Maybe the area is riddled with such dangers. Yachts like this have redundant systems. You don’t just lose propulsion. Well you can but it would have some back up. Guaranteed. I don’t buy the story. Just my opinion.
I'm not sure of your background so don't want to cause offence but losing propulsion is perfectly plausible. I'm not certain but I'll assume(first mistake!!) being a not so old fincantieti build that Serene is diesel-electric. With that, losing a generator from the board could stop propulsion, as would a prop convertor fault, cooling water pump failure or even an earth fault on the PEM itself. There are many many ways it could happen, some bad luck, some bad maintenance, some operator error. Some finger errors by engineers during planned maintenance operations.
Yes there is a redundancy in that most DE ships of that size are twin screw and have 2 propulsion motors. Thus a fault in one won't be a show stopper but speed and manouvering will be seriously restricted.
Easy to speculate, regardless it's a nasty situation.
ColdoRS said:
Burwood said:
Here’s the thing. Who in there right mind would track that close to a reef/structure. Maybe the area is riddled with such dangers. Yachts like this have redundant systems. You don’t just lose propulsion. Well you can but it would have some back up. Guaranteed. I don’t buy the story. Just my opinion.
I'm not sure of your background so don't want to cause offence but losing propulsion is perfectly plausible. I'm not certain but I'll assume(first mistake!!) being a not so old fincantieti build that Serene is diesel-electric. With that, losing a generator from the board could stop propulsion, as would a prop convertor fault, cooling water pump failure or even an earth fault on the PEM itself. There are many many ways it could happen, some bad luck, some bad maintenance, some operator error. Some finger errors by engineers during planned maintenance operations.
Yes there is a redundancy in that most DE ships of that size are twin screw and have 2 propulsion motors. Thus a fault in one won't be a show stopper but speed and manouvering will be seriously restricted.
Easy to speculate, regardless it's a nasty situation.
Serious question for nautical types : is it really in any way defensible for a crew placed in control of a half billion dollar mega yacht to ever run aground? If military vessels crash, their captain's next appointment is usually a desk isn't it?
DiscoColin said:
ColdoRS said:
Burwood said:
Here’s the thing. Who in there right mind would track that close to a reef/structure. Maybe the area is riddled with such dangers. Yachts like this have redundant systems. You don’t just lose propulsion. Well you can but it would have some back up. Guaranteed. I don’t buy the story. Just my opinion.
I'm not sure of your background so don't want to cause offence but losing propulsion is perfectly plausible. I'm not certain but I'll assume(first mistake!!) being a not so old fincantieti build that Serene is diesel-electric. With that, losing a generator from the board could stop propulsion, as would a prop convertor fault, cooling water pump failure or even an earth fault on the PEM itself. There are many many ways it could happen, some bad luck, some bad maintenance, some operator error. Some finger errors by engineers during planned maintenance operations.
Yes there is a redundancy in that most DE ships of that size are twin screw and have 2 propulsion motors. Thus a fault in one won't be a show stopper but speed and manouvering will be seriously restricted.
Easy to speculate, regardless it's a nasty situation.
Serious question for nautical types : is it really in any way defensible for a crew placed in control of a half billion dollar mega yacht to ever run aground? If military vessels crash, their captain's next appointment is usually a desk isn't it?
With regards to being able to run such a boat aground... Blackout > emergency generator fails to sync up > dead ship > half hour of trying to get a generator back on the board and before you know it you've drifted onto the rocks. It's happened before and it'll happen again.
I'm not for a second defending anyone or trying to justify it, for all we know the navigator was pissed up and made some indefensible errors.
The former Soviet Icebreaker converted to a 77 meter Explorer yacht just berthed behind us.
Legend’s adventures began with charters in Antarctica over Christmas, on to South America and Greenland in spring, summer in the Baltic and then back again to the frozen south for winter. Her owner, Jan Verkerk, says: “My plan is to follow the polar summers and allow Legend to provide a luxurious cruising platform for anyone looking for a real adventure.”
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Legend’s adventures began with charters in Antarctica over Christmas, on to South America and Greenland in spring, summer in the Baltic and then back again to the frozen south for winter. Her owner, Jan Verkerk, says: “My plan is to follow the polar summers and allow Legend to provide a luxurious cruising platform for anyone looking for a real adventure.”
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ColdoRS said:
I'm not sure of your background so don't want to cause offence but losing propulsion is perfectly plausible.
I'm not certain but I'll assume(first mistake!!) being a not so old fincantieti build that Serene is diesel-electric. With that, losing a generator from the board could stop propulsion, as would a prop convertor fault, cooling water pump failure or even an earth fault on the PEM itself. There are many many ways it could happen, some bad luck, some bad maintenance, some operator error. Some finger errors by engineers during planned maintenance operations.
Yes there is a redundancy in that most DE ships of that size are twin screw and have 2 propulsion motors. Thus a fault in one won't be a show stopper but speed and manouvering will be seriously restricted.
Easy to speculate, regardless it's a nasty situation.
Indeed. I worked on the cross channel ferries back in the 80s/90s and one particularly blustery day, we lost all 3 engines about 20 minutes out of Dover. After about 10 minutes of drifting, we dropped both anchors to prevent us arriving at the Goodwin sands doing 4 knots sideways.I'm not certain but I'll assume(first mistake!!) being a not so old fincantieti build that Serene is diesel-electric. With that, losing a generator from the board could stop propulsion, as would a prop convertor fault, cooling water pump failure or even an earth fault on the PEM itself. There are many many ways it could happen, some bad luck, some bad maintenance, some operator error. Some finger errors by engineers during planned maintenance operations.
Yes there is a redundancy in that most DE ships of that size are twin screw and have 2 propulsion motors. Thus a fault in one won't be a show stopper but speed and manouvering will be seriously restricted.
Easy to speculate, regardless it's a nasty situation.
An over enthusiastic grease monkey had been playing with the new Karcher and tripped out a load of electrics. Main engines were air start and needed air. Compressors couldn't start because they needed electricity and there was water coming out the bottom of a switch gear cabinet and the breakers kept tripping out. Eventually, a particularly brave sparky donned 2 pairs of wellies and marigolds, then held the breakers shut with a mop handle whilst the compressors went to work.
I've also been on a boat that lost the main engine coming out of Zeebrugge, in that case we slowed down until we lost steerage, then drifted 'not under command' for a bit & dropped the hook.
We eventually called the tugs out, had a few nights alongside and I suffered the worst hangover in the history of hangovers, I still can't drink whiskey.
Bearing in mind the Serene seems to have a big rock firmly implanted about a third of the way down her hull, I'd say the propulsion was working pretty well when it went aground.
We eventually called the tugs out, had a few nights alongside and I suffered the worst hangover in the history of hangovers, I still can't drink whiskey.
Bearing in mind the Serene seems to have a big rock firmly implanted about a third of the way down her hull, I'd say the propulsion was working pretty well when it went aground.
AMDBSVNick said:
DJFish said:
Bearing in mind the Serene seems to have a big rock firmly implanted about a third of the way down her hull, I'd say the propulsion was working pretty well when it went aground.
GT119 said:
AMDBSVNick said:
DJFish said:
Bearing in mind the Serene seems to have a big rock firmly implanted about a third of the way down her hull, I'd say the propulsion was working pretty well when it went aground.
A few questions/thoughts.
Its a 140m yacht so probably a few Officers on the bridge "looking out" you are doing circa 18kts in close proximity to a reef. I imagine they would be checking the yachts position fairly frequently and monitoring it.
I imagine Serene has 4 steering pumps, now just throwing this out there if there was a propulsion failure how did it end up so far up a reef? the momentum being carried must be outrageous.
Surely the rudders could have been thrown hard over and a destroyer turn performed away from the reef?
Surely this yacht is built to Lloyds or similar classification and has emergency shut downs on the engines and will have performed crash stop tests during construction sea trials?
Has anybody seen exactly where this happened? is he just on the edge of the reef/deep water or in the middle of a reef with no deep water either side?
Draw your own conclusions but i bet a lot of people are going to be affected by the insurance claim.
Its a 140m yacht so probably a few Officers on the bridge "looking out" you are doing circa 18kts in close proximity to a reef. I imagine they would be checking the yachts position fairly frequently and monitoring it.
I imagine Serene has 4 steering pumps, now just throwing this out there if there was a propulsion failure how did it end up so far up a reef? the momentum being carried must be outrageous.
Surely the rudders could have been thrown hard over and a destroyer turn performed away from the reef?
Surely this yacht is built to Lloyds or similar classification and has emergency shut downs on the engines and will have performed crash stop tests during construction sea trials?
Has anybody seen exactly where this happened? is he just on the edge of the reef/deep water or in the middle of a reef with no deep water either side?
Draw your own conclusions but i bet a lot of people are going to be affected by the insurance claim.
Mike Random said:
A few questions/thoughts.
Its a 140m yacht so probably a few Officers on the bridge "looking out" you are doing circa 18kts in close proximity to a reef. I imagine they would be checking the yachts position fairly frequently and monitoring it.
I imagine Serene has 4 steering pumps, now just throwing this out there if there was a propulsion failure how did it end up so far up a reef? the momentum being carried must be outrageous.
Surely the rudders could have been thrown hard over and a destroyer turn performed away from the reef?
Surely this yacht is built to Lloyds or similar classification and has emergency shut downs on the engines and will have performed crash stop tests during construction sea trials?
Has anybody seen exactly where this happened? is he just on the edge of the reef/deep water or in the middle of a reef with no deep water either side?
Draw your own conclusions but i bet a lot of people are going to be affected by the insurance claim.
I think they just were not looking where they were going.Its a 140m yacht so probably a few Officers on the bridge "looking out" you are doing circa 18kts in close proximity to a reef. I imagine they would be checking the yachts position fairly frequently and monitoring it.
I imagine Serene has 4 steering pumps, now just throwing this out there if there was a propulsion failure how did it end up so far up a reef? the momentum being carried must be outrageous.
Surely the rudders could have been thrown hard over and a destroyer turn performed away from the reef?
Surely this yacht is built to Lloyds or similar classification and has emergency shut downs on the engines and will have performed crash stop tests during construction sea trials?
Has anybody seen exactly where this happened? is he just on the edge of the reef/deep water or in the middle of a reef with no deep water either side?
Draw your own conclusions but i bet a lot of people are going to be affected by the insurance claim.
It’s usual for the guys on the bridge to blame the engineers for everything but this time I don’t think they will have a leg to stand on.
Lloyds Classification and SOLAS (possibly passenger class) would provide enough redundancy for most failures.
Looks like she has quickly gone in to a shed at the Ames yard for repair
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