Mach Loop - Low Flying

[D4VE 3LL]

Summertime said:

Dave i can do a Wednesday Thursday Friday in June or July if you want to meet up at Mach loop

Yeah sure

[B1G GK]

thatone1967 said:

how much walking is involved getting to the place where you takes the shots... are we talking Mountain climbs to get there?

Depends where you go,
I did Bwlch top shelf, a good 20 mins tough walk, not for the weak legged, will certainly open up your lungs.
Cad East - Probably the easiest to walk, 5 mins easy, only problem is the lack of parking there so can be full very easily.


As Dave said, its roughly 3 minutes a lap, the regulars told me once you had a pass to be ready in roughly 3 minutes just incase they lap again. The distance they cover in those 3 minutes I do not know as I havnt dont it or tried to follow them in my car.
If Ginetta does believe me or Dave, then why dont she go and stand at Cad with a stopwatch for a day

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

May I ask how many flying hours, and specifically, low flying hours D4VE 3 LL and 3LLB1G GK have? And why you think YOU are experts’?

Have either of you actually flown at low level? EVER?

Have either of you actually OPERATED at low level?

EVER?

No of course you haven’t.

Yet you KNOW the rules and you know better than those who do it.!

Now, it’s a while since I flew the M. Valley, I know for a fact we didn’t do it at 600 kts. THERERFORE it can’t be 30 miles round trip in 3 minutes.

In fact it’s a case of fly at 420 kts and pulling out and go round again’

Now

B1G GK said:

If Ginetta does believe me or Dave, then why dont she go and stand at Cad with a stopwatch for a day

Because I live too far away and I am not a ‘spotter’ – sorry I have better things to do with my day.

Secondly, being ex Aircrew I can not stand there and watch people (possibly my ex students) hooning down valleys – once you have been Military Aircrew, then just like racing, you NEVER really leave!

[D4VE 3LL]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

May I ask how many flying hours, and specifically, low flying hours D4VE 3 LL and 3LLB1G GK have? And why you think YOU are experts’?

Have either of you actually flown at low level? EVER?

Have either of you actually OPERATED at low level?

EVER?

No of course you haven’t.

Yet you KNOW the rules and you know better than those who do it.!

Now, it’s a while since I flew the M. Valley, I know for a fact we didn’t do it at 600 kts. THERERFORE it can’t be 30 miles round trip in 3 minutes.

In fact it’s a case of fly at 420 kts and pulling out and go round again’

Now

B1G GK said:

If Ginetta does believe me or Dave, then why dont she go and stand at Cad with a stopwatch for a day

Because I live too far away and I am not a ‘spotter’ – sorry I have better things to do with my day.

Secondly, being ex Aircrew I can not stand there and watch people (possibly my ex students) hooning down valleys – once you have been Military Aircrew, then just like racing, you NEVER really leave!

Getting a bit bored of the slagging you do in these threads, you did it to droptheclutch's thread a while ago. I'm not a spotter, merely a tog who enjoys the thrill of watching the jets in the valleys and wanted to share some of the half decent photos I have and if people ask for information I'll do my best to tell them. Well it could be a case of 27 or 28 miles and 3 minutes and 10 seconds, still about the same time/distance. Never said I was an expert, just stated what I'd seen, also never siad I'd operated at low level.

Enjoy the photos if you want but keep the bhing to yourself, please.

[andymadmak]

To be fair Dave she did reply politely to your first assertion that it was a 3 minute loop, and she did so with some good first hand knowledge based on her actual experience. You responses were along the lines of " well its 3 minutes cos I've measured it, and rules are there to be broken" (ie, you were calling her responses Bullst)
I'm not surprised she got a bit narked.

Either way, great photos though.
Shall we all play nicely again? In particular I'd love a first hand account from the G15 Girl of just what its really like to do the loop, stick in hand!!!!

Andy

[D4VE 3LL]

I was merely stating what I'd seen, sorry if it got taken the wrong way. I to would like to hear what its like to go through at low level from somebody whos done it, it just seems that so many threads on PH end up in arguements. Once again sorry, lets get it back on track

[D4VE 3LL]

Well some pics, hopefully the end of the bickering... sorry, been in a st mood last few days.

a rotated one from a few weeks ago.



Went to do some landscape stuff and went up fro an hour to see what I could get, GR9. Only frontliner of the day and last movement of the day.





Today has been very busy...

Special scheme 100SQN hawk round, Hercs, lots of valley hawks, couple of Tornado GR4s, F15s twice, Special scheme Harrier.

[Boozy]

What did you used to fly if you don't mind me asking?

[B1G GK]

Boozy said:

What did you used to fly if you don't mind me asking?

Looking at her response , Dummies NASA caught the last one.


Has ringing planes ever caught on, just a thought ;)

[Summertime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NadyirHsGmw

[D4VE 3LL]

I konw the guy who shot that, does more photos now. but both are stunning.

[D4VE 3LL]

Been up again on friday 28th wednesday and thursday just gone: Some Pics

in no particular order



















































Cheers!
Dave

[Ross1988]

Fantastic pictures there!

What are the chances of getting a large version of one of the images for a new desktop background?

Keep up the good work!

[D4VE 3LL]

Drop me an email at [e-mail]

I'll send it from there, just state which one you want.

thanks for the comment :P

[The real Apache]

Alpha Jets are such pretty planes aren't they

[D4VE 3LL]

Here are th pics form Wednesday, light was crap nd I wasn't having a good day with the camera

















Cheers!
dave

[roryfizz]

D4VE 3LL said:

Been up again on friday 28th wednesday and thursday just gone: Some Pics

in no particular order






Cheers!
Dave

Can anyone explain to me why this hawk has obvious hardpoints on the wingtips when none of the others do? I know during the cold war some hawks were used as interceptors. Or is this the difference between the Hawk T2 and previous variants?

cheers!

[eccles]

You got it, this is one of the new Hawks.

[D4VE 3LL]

Some from Monday to wednesday

[cheadle hulme]

Dave,
absolutely amazing shots in this post as the others.

I'm trying to explain to the missus how you take a picture of a plane flying below you; directly at you; and at 400kph; and still get it in focus.

She thinks a new Nikon will sort me out. I beg to differ.

Great stuff