Amazingly cool and interesting plane footage

Amazingly cool and interesting plane footage

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Eric Mc

122,039 posts

265 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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gwm said:
Dave46 said:
Pilot buys himself a Harrier
https://youtu.be/-PHcdn8R4d4
That was a good short watch, though is his claims about the Harrier being so American genuine? In that, as an uninformed non-aviator, I always thought the Harrier was a British designed and built plane?
The Harrier has rather multi-national aspect to its origins.

The concept of vectored thrust from a single engine came from a French man, Michel Wibault. He came up the original idea but couldn't get anybody to take it up. Bristol Siddeley (NOT Rolls Royce) were developing what became the Pegasus jet engine but were unaware of Wibault's work. Wibault took his ideas to Sidney Camm at Hawker Aircraft who contacted Bristol Siddely to discuss the idea of using the Pegasus for vectored thrust.

Neither the RAF nor the Royal Navy showed any real interest in a small subsonic vertical take off aircraft so Hawker decided to build a series of prototypes called the P1127 as a private venture to see if the idea was practicable.
These were flown successfully in the early 1960s at which point the US Marines became interested as they were looking for a ground attack aircraft they could use of their small assault carriers.

Funding under a NATO programme allowed a more warlike version of the P1127 - the Kestrel - to be tested in operational type environments. The RAF and Royal Navy began to show a bit more interest after this.

The Harrier entered service with the RAF in 1969 and with the US Marine Corps soon afterwards.

gwm

2,390 posts

144 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Eric Mc said:
Knowledge
Great info as always.

So French concept, British design and American push for it.

Eric Mc

122,039 posts

265 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Essentially - yes. Plus a lot of vision from Sidney Camm who saw the potential when others didn't.

Steve_D

13,748 posts

258 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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I may be wrong but believe the Americans had a more open approach to learning to fly it.
Our users were taught what it could do whereas the Americans took it out and chucked it about learning new tricks like 'VIFFing' Vectoring In Forward Flight. This produced diving into a cloud and coming to a dead stop....Rolling to the side or inverted then vectoring thrust to jump sideways or lose height rapidly. They were also using G suits which I don't believe we had at the time. This resulted in them finding that a turn, normally limited by the wing stresses, could be tighter if you applied vector thrust taking the load off the wing and tightening the turn. The limit became the G the pilot could withstand.

Steve

NM62

952 posts

150 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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I may be wrong here, but I am sure I read somewhere that the (Sea) Harrier Pilots introduced VIFFing to the US Navy Pilots at Top Gun, resulting in some hurried changes in tactics.

Eric Mc

122,039 posts

265 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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The Sea Harrier is a relatively late arrival in the Harrier story. The RAF Harrier GR1/GR3 and US Marines AV-8A had already been in service a decade before the Royal Navy got their Sea Harrier FRS1s.

NM62

952 posts

150 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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It was a while back (Mid to Late 70's) so more probably GR1/3 and may have been Red Flag as opposed to Top Gun, thinking back the chap who showed me the article was with 1 Squadron at Wittering.

slartibartfast

4,014 posts

201 months

Monday 1st June 2015
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I filmed this in May this year at Bruntingthorpe, if nothing else it's worth watching for the cartridge starting English eletric Canberra

https://youtu.be/4x9McytJ4m0

FourWheelDrift

88,541 posts

284 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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The Making of the Battle of Britain film - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUxKL9FGkEo

Found it as it was linked from this unrestored BoB film Spitfire that has been in a barn since 1973 - http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!spitfire-mh415/c...

slartibartfast

4,014 posts

201 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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FourWheelDrift said:
The Making of the Battle of Britain film - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUxKL9FGkEo

Found it as it was linked from this unrestored BoB film Spitfire that has been in a barn since 1973 - http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!spitfire-mh415/c...
really good. thanks

Craigyp79

589 posts

183 months

Friday 12th June 2015
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Was just watching this on the BBC website and thought it might belong here, that is quite impressive:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYbM-3E11Qo

Waynester

6,339 posts

250 months

Friday 12th June 2015
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FourWheelDrift said:
The Making of the Battle of Britain film - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUxKL9FGkEo

Found it as it was linked from this unrestored BoB film Spitfire that has been in a barn since 1973 - http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!spitfire-mh415/c...
Thanks for the link, enjoyed that.

FourWheelDrift

88,541 posts

284 months

Sunday 14th June 2015
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Have we had an original V1 Argus plusejet running yet? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh3PexhT4Ss

From their V1 - http://www.fighterfactory.com/flying-bomb

Baron Greenback

6,989 posts

150 months

Sunday 14th June 2015
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FourWheelDrift said:
Have we had an original V1 Argus plusejet running yet? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh3PexhT4Ss

From their V1 - http://www.fighterfactory.com/flying-bomb
Prefered scraphead challenge version but still coool!

RDMcG

19,166 posts

207 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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Landing and takeoff on a 50% grade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=172&v=0zDo7hkm...

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

167 months

Friday 19th June 2015
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A 4 year olds first aerobatic flight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSWDW18ygawsmile

eccles

13,740 posts

222 months

Friday 19th June 2015
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Willy Nilly said:
A 4 year olds first aerobatic flight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSWDW18ygawsmile
That made me smile! smile

Eric Mc

122,039 posts

265 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Blimey, a Canadian with a sense of humour. Well done that girl.

xjsdriver

1,071 posts

121 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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Eric Mc said:
Essentially - yes. Plus a lot of vision from Sidney Camm who saw the potential when others didn't.
One name. Frank Whittle. The end........only it should have been the end, but we got suckered into handing over our R+D to the Yanks and the rest is history.

EskimoArapaho

5,135 posts

135 months

Monday 22nd June 2015
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Another stowaway, this time with a happier ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_8mdH20qTQ