Light aircraft in river near me

Light aircraft in river near me

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FlashmanChop

1,300 posts

207 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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Christ.

was only talking about this chap at Breighton the other day with my friend who works down there

mrloudly

2,815 posts

236 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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Eric Mc said:
May have no relevance whatsoever to this second accident.
One relevance... It was the same jockey in it... Who knows, he may have even been P1 again

Eric Mc

122,071 posts

266 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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mrloudly said:
Eric Mc said:
May have no relevance whatsoever to this second accident.
One relevance... It was the same jockey in it... Who knows, he may have even been P1 again
Ever heard of the words "bad luck"?

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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FlashmanChop said:
Christ.

was only talking about this chap at Breighton the other day with my friend who works down there
You want the religion forum...

mrloudly

2,815 posts

236 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Ever heard of the words "bad luck"?
fking bad luck more like! Engine failure and lands in a narrow river between two large fields, then takes off into foggy (as quoted by witnesses) conditions and
finds Cumulus Granite. How much bad luck can one person have!!

FlashmanChop

1,300 posts

207 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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mrloudly said:
fking bad luck more like! Engine failure and lands in a narrow river between two large fields, then takes off into foggy (as quoted by witnesses) conditions and
finds Cumulus Granite. How much bad luck can one person have!!
I gather he was banned from quite a lot of local airfields.

Eric Mc

122,071 posts

266 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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mrloudly said:
Eric Mc said:
Ever heard of the words "bad luck"?
fking bad luck more like! Engine failure and lands in a narrow river between two large fields, then takes off into foggy (as quoted by witnesses) conditions and
finds Cumulus Granite. How much bad luck can one person have!!
I don't know - some people are just plain unlucky.

mrloudly

2,815 posts

236 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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FlashmanChop said:
I gather he was banned from quite a lot of local airfields.
He nearly falls out of what appears to be a very poorly executed aileron roll in the BBC Vid as well. That
manoeuvre was obviously performed with a safe recovery base as well looking at the video...

Eric Mc

122,071 posts

266 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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What was he doing the aerobatics in?

mat from preston

186 posts

175 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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Eric Mc said:
What was he doing the aerobatics in?
Let's hope it wasn't the pa 28.

mrloudly

2,815 posts

236 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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Eric Mc said:
What was he doing the aerobatics in?
Looks like a Robin 2160 which is what I believe ended up in the drink. It's shown in the Beeb clip

Eric Mc

122,071 posts

266 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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mat from preston said:
Eric Mc said:
What was he doing the aerobatics in?
Let's hope it wasn't the pa 28.
That's what was making me reassess whether he was a bit of a plonker or not. It seems it was his Robin rather than the PA-28.

He does seem to have been an accident (or two) waiting to happen.

mat from preston

186 posts

175 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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The caa were at Barton a couple of months ago expressing there concerns he might be trying to hire from there.

eharding

13,742 posts

285 months

Wednesday 19th October 2011
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mat from preston said:
The caa were at Barton a couple of months ago expressing there concerns he might be trying to hire from there.
That does beg the question that if the CAA were 'concerned' about him renting, and concerned enough to raise the issue with a rental organisation, then it was perfectly within the CAA's remit to pull this lad's licence, regardless of whether a prosecution over the ditching affair was considered likely to succeed. See Article 228 of the Air Navigation Order 2009 - in summary, if the CAA really don't like the cut of your jib, your ticket is history.

This is a very sad outcome, and I suspect there will be a lot of questions asked in retrospect. Most of us with any degree of experience will have read the AAIB report into the ditching, and drawn our own conclusions. Some might choose to extrapolate some of those conclusions onto the recent accident, but the truth of it is that until the Swiss AAIB publish a final report, all bets are off. It certainly looks very bad, but there is still the possibility that mechanical failure rather than reckless behaviour on the part of the PIC was the primary cause of the crash.

What we can safely comment on are the videos that this chap left us as his legacy - the four second clip I've seen of a rather gash ballistic roll isn't really enough to form an opinion as to his basic safety as an aerobatic pilot, just enough to confirm a distinct lack of skill, but the 4 minutes or so of self-footage in the cockpit was fairly damning - his visual lookout scan was abysmal throughout. That being said, I suspect he wasn't the only one out there more pre-occupied with fertling with gadgets in the cockpit rather than maintaining a good lookout.

This unfortunate chap didn't really seem to do himself any favours in his aviation career, and is a matter of huge regret that it ended in this way, particularly with the loss of his passenger. Until the investigators publish a report, most of what you see on the forums will be speculation and rumour, as ever.

Obiwonkeyblokey

5,399 posts

241 months

Thursday 20th October 2011
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I saw the original crash on helicopter rescue ( or something) a few weeks a go on BBC. The chopper has eben dispatched for the S&R. I thought at the time how the hell did he end up in the river with fields all around.. He also didn't come across very well in the interviews afterwards. At the time he was studying for his Commercial licence.

Whatever happened, its still a bloody shame that someone was killed and took another life with them.

Obiwonkeyblokey

5,399 posts

241 months

Thursday 20th October 2011
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Over on flyer there seems to be some suggestions that the Derwent crash was caused by him attempting to waterski the nodewheel along the river for the benefit of his mates and Youtube.

Im not suggesting the second accident had anything to do with this, but FFS if the initial impliciations around the first accident are true then surely this guy is a Darwin award in a plane.

mrloudly

2,815 posts

236 months

Thursday 20th October 2011
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Obiwonkeyblokey said:
Over on flyer there seems to be some suggestions that the Derwent crash was caused by him attempting to waterski the nodewheel along the river for the benefit of his mates and Youtube.

Im not suggesting the second accident had anything to do with this, but FFS if the initial impliciations around the first accident are true then surely this guy is a Darwin award in a plane.
Been watching too much Tube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InGwnTt9FrU

ForzaWhitesGen2

359 posts

151 months

Thursday 20th October 2011
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mrloudly said:
Been watching too much Tube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InGwnTt9FrU
That is exactly what he was attempting.....unfortunately his abilities/skills didn't reconcile with ambition or aim of the stunt and the Robin flipped over.

mrloudly

2,815 posts

236 months

Thursday 20th October 2011
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ForzaWhitesGen2 said:
That is exactly what he was attempting.....unfortunately his abilities/skills didn't reconcile with ambition or aim of the stunt and the Robin flipped over.
If I told you I'd done it in a Robin 200 G-BDJN with a certain ex owner of NSOF (Now deceased bless him) on Pitsford reservoir Northampton, you wouldn't believe me LOL!

ForzaWhitesGen2

359 posts

151 months

Thursday 20th October 2011
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mrloudly said:
If I told you I'd done it in a Robin 200 G-BDJN with a certain ex owner of NSOF (Now deceased bless him) on Pitsford reservoir Northampton, you wouldn't believe me LOL!
blimey....isnt that reservoir split in two by a road? am thinking reservior much wider and open than a small river thats about 14m across at best in that spot?