F16 Dead Stick Landing

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FUBAR

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Just been sent this link which I'm sure will mean more to most of you than I smile

Streetrod

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Good job, I did not realise that an F16 was such a good glider. It was also interesting to note how calm the pilot was and how steady his breathing was. A true professional

MartG

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205 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Dunno about that controller who kept yakking on, restating the bleeding obvious all the time ( e.g. after landing telling the pilot he now needs to stop the aircraft ). Surely in times like that radio traffic should be kept to a minimum in case the pilot has to say something quickly

Ian Lancs

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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MartG said:
Dunno about that controller who kept yakking on, restating the bleeding obvious all the time ( e.g. after landing telling the pilot he now needs to stop the aircraft ). Surely in times like that radio traffic should be kept to a minimum in case the pilot has to say something quickly
Think the person saying get it stopped was actually his wingman who acted as relay etc for the ATC messages?

chuntington101

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Streetrod said:
Good job, I did not realise that an F16 was such a good glider. It was also interesting to note how calm the pilot was and how steady his breathing was. A true professional
guess its a bit eaiser than dodging bullets and SAMs! lol

Vieste

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Wow thanks for the link.

staples230uk

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Ian Lancs said:
Think the person saying get it stopped was actually his wingman who acted as relay etc for the ATC messages?
Yeah in aircraft emergencies such as this or any major problem be it engine hyds etc etc, the diverting aircraft will have an escort to talk him down, make sure his flaps and gear are where they should be.

55allgold

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Remarkable.

Simpo Two

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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I thought all pilots had to practice deadstick landings for PPL and upwards?

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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They do - but you don't do a PPL course using the F-16.

Simpo Two

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Eric Mc said:
They do - but you don't do a PPL course using the F-16.
Not unless you're very rich, I agree... but given that an F-16 pilot is going to have considerably more training/flying time and Newton will get him down one way or the other, is this achievement in the Sullenburger/Hudson River class or just an unusual day at the office?

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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It's pretty skilful flying I would say - but most trained air force pilots should be able to carry it off.

The F-16 is computer copntrolled so the key to flying it after engine failure is making sure the electrical systems don't go down on you.

Mojocvh

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Trivia-Did you know the FBW system had it's own separate windings on the generator away from the rest of the aircraft electrical supply system.

Real neat, other aircraft, the Tornado, for example, only separates the FBW at the cb boxes.

Of course the EPU would have kicked in but that brings it's own BIG set of problems, surprised he jettisoned the tanks overland, however his wingman was VERY adamant that this WAS the time to do it!!



Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 27th April 17:53

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Mojocvh said:
Trivia-Did you know the FBW system had it's own separate windings on the generator away from the rest of the aircraft electrical supply system.

Real neat, other aircraft, the Tornado, for example only separates the FBW at the cb boxes.

Carry on!
Tornado isn't really FBW though, is it?

Ginetta G15 Girl

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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staples230uk said:
Yeah in aircraft emergencies such as this or any major problem be it engine hyds etc etc, the diverting aircraft will have an escort to talk him down, make sure his flaps and gear are where they should be.
Not necessarily.


Simpo Two said:
I thought all pilots had to practice deadstick landings for PPL and upwards?
It depends on the a/c and what its Glide Ratio is (and how close you are to a suitable runway). Most FJ don't glide that well (certainly mud moving types). Watching the HUD video the F16 was getting around a 1 in 1 descent (1Nm / 1000ft) which is fairly reasonable, about the same as a Hawk.

Try that in a Harrier or a Jaguar and you'd have to be hitting High Key (abeam the threshold) at 10,000ft! Ie not a lot of point in routinely practicing it.


Eric Mc said:
The F-16 is computer controlled so the key to flying it after engine failure is making sure the electrical systems don't go down on you.
Hence the chat about the EPU and it's Hydrazine fuel and the requirement for Fire Cover post the roll-out.



Nice piece of flying there.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Yes - I picked up on that at the end. I wonder how long the APU runs before its fuel expires?

Mojocvh

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Tornado isn't really FBW though, is it?
Really? well there ya go........ http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/tornado_ids_a... link a bit spotterish mind...

Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 27th April 18:28

Mojocvh

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Yes - I picked up on that at the end. I wonder how long the APU runs before its fuel expires?
EPU-running a monofuel that generates it's own oxygen as it burns, APU's are generally regarded as AIR breathing.

EPU's running monofuels have highly toxic exhaust gas components, the rule is get upwind and stay there.

A monofuel leak, on aircraft, is a very nasty affair indeed.

Last time I saw one was on a Canberra PR9 [at Bodo a long time ago] luckily the amount of monofuel (AVPIN) in the engine starting system is/was comparatively small. However the bloke that got more than a face full wasn't the happiest of chaps......especially as the deluge system was frozen over, he still went it though, head first to break the ice.

Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 27th April 18:43

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Mojocvh said:
Eric Mc said:
Tornado isn't really FBW though, is it?
Really? well there ya go........ http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/tornado_ids_a... link a bit spotterish mind...

Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 27th April 18:28
OK - I'll refine what I meant. The F-16 is completely unstable without FBW as it is designed as an agile dogfighter. If the F-16 loses its FBW, it crashes. Indeed, one of the F-16 test pilots lost his life when this is what happened.

Would a Totnado be unflyable without FBW?

bobthemonkey

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Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Mojocvh said:
EPU-running a monofuel that generates it's own oxygen as it burns, APU's are generally regarded as AIR breathing.

EPU's running monofuels have highly toxic exhaust gas components, the rule is get upwind and stay there.

A monofuel leak, on aircraft, is a very nasty affair indeed.

Last time I saw one was on a Canberra PR9 [at Bodo a long time ago] luckily the amount of monofuel (AVPIN) in the engine starting system is/was comparatively small. However the bloke that got more than a face full wasn't the happiest of chaps......especially as the deluge system was frozen over, he still went it though, head first to break the ice.

Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 27th April 18:43
Pretty sue the F16 is worse in that it uses hydrazine, which isn't exactly pleasant stuff!