F16 Dead Stick Landing
Discussion
MartG said:
Dunno about that controller who kept yakking on, restating the bleeding obvious all the time ( e.g. after landing telling the pilot he now needs to stop the aircraft ). Surely in times like that radio traffic should be kept to a minimum in case the pilot has to say something quickly
Think the person saying get it stopped was actually his wingman who acted as relay etc for the ATC messages?Ian Lancs said:
Think the person saying get it stopped was actually his wingman who acted as relay etc for the ATC messages?
Yeah in aircraft emergencies such as this or any major problem be it engine hyds etc etc, the diverting aircraft will have an escort to talk him down, make sure his flaps and gear are where they should be.Eric Mc said:
They do - but you don't do a PPL course using the F-16.
Not unless you're very rich, I agree... but given that an F-16 pilot is going to have considerably more training/flying time and Newton will get him down one way or the other, is this achievement in the Sullenburger/Hudson River class or just an unusual day at the office?Trivia-Did you know the FBW system had it's own separate windings on the generator away from the rest of the aircraft electrical supply system.
Real neat, other aircraft, the Tornado, for example, only separates the FBW at the cb boxes.
Of course the EPU would have kicked in but that brings it's own BIG set of problems, surprised he jettisoned the tanks overland, however his wingman was VERY adamant that this WAS the time to do it!!
Real neat, other aircraft, the Tornado, for example, only separates the FBW at the cb boxes.
Of course the EPU would have kicked in but that brings it's own BIG set of problems, surprised he jettisoned the tanks overland, however his wingman was VERY adamant that this WAS the time to do it!!
Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 27th April 17:53
Mojocvh said:
Trivia-Did you know the FBW system had it's own separate windings on the generator away from the rest of the aircraft electrical supply system.
Real neat, other aircraft, the Tornado, for example only separates the FBW at the cb boxes.
Carry on!
Tornado isn't really FBW though, is it?Real neat, other aircraft, the Tornado, for example only separates the FBW at the cb boxes.
Carry on!
staples230uk said:
Yeah in aircraft emergencies such as this or any major problem be it engine hyds etc etc, the diverting aircraft will have an escort to talk him down, make sure his flaps and gear are where they should be.
Not necessarily.Simpo Two said:
I thought all pilots had to practice deadstick landings for PPL and upwards?
It depends on the a/c and what its Glide Ratio is (and how close you are to a suitable runway). Most FJ don't glide that well (certainly mud moving types). Watching the HUD video the F16 was getting around a 1 in 1 descent (1Nm / 1000ft) which is fairly reasonable, about the same as a Hawk.Try that in a Harrier or a Jaguar and you'd have to be hitting High Key (abeam the threshold) at 10,000ft! Ie not a lot of point in routinely practicing it.
Eric Mc said:
The F-16 is computer controlled so the key to flying it after engine failure is making sure the electrical systems don't go down on you.
Hence the chat about the EPU and it's Hydrazine fuel and the requirement for Fire Cover post the roll-out.Nice piece of flying there.
Eric Mc said:
Tornado isn't really FBW though, is it?
Really? well there ya go........ http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/tornado_ids_a... link a bit spotterish mind...Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 27th April 18:28
Eric Mc said:
Yes - I picked up on that at the end. I wonder how long the APU runs before its fuel expires?
EPU-running a monofuel that generates it's own oxygen as it burns, APU's are generally regarded as AIR breathing. EPU's running monofuels have highly toxic exhaust gas components, the rule is get upwind and stay there.
A monofuel leak, on aircraft, is a very nasty affair indeed.
Last time I saw one was on a Canberra PR9 [at Bodo a long time ago] luckily the amount of monofuel (AVPIN) in the engine starting system is/was comparatively small. However the bloke that got more than a face full wasn't the happiest of chaps......especially as the deluge system was frozen over, he still went it though, head first to break the ice.
Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 27th April 18:43
Mojocvh said:
Eric Mc said:
Tornado isn't really FBW though, is it?
Really? well there ya go........ http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/tornado_ids_a... link a bit spotterish mind...Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 27th April 18:28
Would a Totnado be unflyable without FBW?
Mojocvh said:
EPU-running a monofuel that generates it's own oxygen as it burns, APU's are generally regarded as AIR breathing.
EPU's running monofuels have highly toxic exhaust gas components, the rule is get upwind and stay there.
A monofuel leak, on aircraft, is a very nasty affair indeed.
Last time I saw one was on a Canberra PR9 [at Bodo a long time ago] luckily the amount of monofuel (AVPIN) in the engine starting system is/was comparatively small. However the bloke that got more than a face full wasn't the happiest of chaps......especially as the deluge system was frozen over, he still went it though, head first to break the ice.
Pretty sue the F16 is worse in that it uses hydrazine, which isn't exactly pleasant stuff!EPU's running monofuels have highly toxic exhaust gas components, the rule is get upwind and stay there.
A monofuel leak, on aircraft, is a very nasty affair indeed.
Last time I saw one was on a Canberra PR9 [at Bodo a long time ago] luckily the amount of monofuel (AVPIN) in the engine starting system is/was comparatively small. However the bloke that got more than a face full wasn't the happiest of chaps......especially as the deluge system was frozen over, he still went it though, head first to break the ice.
Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 27th April 18:43
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