Coffee machines - whaddaya know?

Coffee machines - whaddaya know?

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IanA2

2,763 posts

162 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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Zod said:
Taste it next to an espresso from a proper machine. It is completely different. The water is boiled in a Moka pot. Boiling water is too hot for making coffee.
Eh.....actually it's steam that's forced through the coffee, not water, or have I missed something?

Ali2202

3,815 posts

204 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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So much snobbery over coffee machines. rolleyes

This from AMZN is a damn fine little machine and, with a bit of perseverance, delivers a perfect cup...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jack-Stonehouse-Espresso-C...

Mostly good reviews as you can see. thumbup

Bluequay

2,001 posts

218 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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That looks like it will suffer from the same problem as most budget machines, they are made with cheapish (thin) materials and therefore suffer from temperature instability making it very difficult to produce consistent results. With it's plastic frothing attachment it will also be a bugger to keep clean as opposed to the quick wipe down a stainless steal wand will require.

I had a similar type of machine a few years and it was more hassle than it was worth, it's replacement although more expensive gets used a lot more, because it makes better coffee and is much easier to maintain.

Edited by Bluequay on Tuesday 10th February 15:40

Zod

35,295 posts

258 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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IanA2 said:
Zod said:
Taste it next to an espresso from a proper machine. It is completely different. The water is boiled in a Moka pot. Boiling water is too hot for making coffee.
Eh.....actually it's steam that's forced through the coffee, not water, or have I missed something?
What is the temperature of steam?

In an espresso machine, a motorised pump pushes water at c. 90 degrees through the coffee.

IanA2

2,763 posts

162 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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Zod said:
IanA2 said:
Zod said:
Taste it next to an espresso from a proper machine. It is completely different. The water is boiled in a Moka pot. Boiling water is too hot for making coffee.
Eh.....actually it's steam that's forced through the coffee, not water, or have I missed something?
What is the temperature of steam?

In an espresso machine, a motorised pump pushes water at c. 90 degrees through the coffee.
I think I'll leave that one to the scientists amongst us:



Zod

35,295 posts

258 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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IanA2 said:
Zod said:
IanA2 said:
Zod said:
Taste it next to an espresso from a proper machine. It is completely different. The water is boiled in a Moka pot. Boiling water is too hot for making coffee.
Eh.....actually it's steam that's forced through the coffee, not water, or have I missed something?
What is the temperature of steam?

In an espresso machine, a motorised pump pushes water at c. 90 degrees through the coffee.
I think I'll leave that one to the scientists amongst us:


Er yes, the water in a moka pot is therefore at 100 degrees or possibly a little higher, unlike a machine in which it is heated without pressure to the desired temperature.

Blown2CV

28,809 posts

203 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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Zod said:
IanA2 said:
Zod said:
Taste it next to an espresso from a proper machine. It is completely different. The water is boiled in a Moka pot. Boiling water is too hot for making coffee.
Eh.....actually it's steam that's forced through the coffee, not water, or have I missed something?
What is the temperature of steam?

In an espresso machine, a motorised pump pushes water at c. 90 degrees through the coffee.
which is why you should always make espresso at altitude. Duh.

giblet

8,850 posts

177 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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I need to have a go at using the Chemex that I got for Christmas. Watched a few instructional videos and a lot of people seem to use weighing scales and gooseneck kettles during the process. Seems like overkill to me!

Kapenta

1,623 posts

196 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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giblet said:
I need to have a go at using the Chemex that I got for Christmas. Watched a few instructional videos and a lot of people seem to use weighing scales and gooseneck kettles during the process. Seems like overkill to me!
Hipster-Nobsters?

giblet

8,850 posts

177 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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Kapenta said:
Hipster-Nobsters?
Well some of them did have beards, check shirts and tattoos. I get where they are coming from with regards to weighing out the water so it is more accurate but surely a few ml over or under won't make a massive difference to the taste.

marshalla

15,902 posts

201 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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giblet said:
Kapenta said:
Hipster-Nobsters?
Well some of them did have beards, check shirts and tattoos. I get where they are coming from with regards to weighing out the water so it is more accurate but surely a few ml over or under won't make a massive difference to the taste.
That depends on the type of water.

Kapenta

1,623 posts

196 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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Hydrogen Dioxide..

marshalla

15,902 posts

201 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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Kapenta said:
Hydrogen Dioxide..
From the north or south side of the hill ? Gathered before dawn, into pure goatskin buckets, by a bevy of virgins wearing only hand-woven linen ?

giblet

8,850 posts

177 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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There does seem to be an awful lot of pretentiousness when it comes to coffee. Similar to wine I guess.

I've spent a bit too much time on the coffee subreddit recently. This post on longer brew times im the Aeropress caught my eye. Might give it a try soon to see if it works as claimed.

This hand grinder on kickstarter has also caught my eye. Looks to be a good step up from my Porlex.

Flibble

6,475 posts

181 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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Kapenta said:
Hydrogen Dioxide..
You mean dihydrogen monoxide? I don't think coffee made with hydrogen peroxide would be that nice...

Kapenta

1,623 posts

196 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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Flibble said:
You mean dihydrogen monoxide? I don't think coffee made with hydrogen peroxide would be that nice...
How about Dihydrogen Oxide then (seminal pedant hat on)? Some of the instant coffee that I have had to drink might as well have been made with bleach... smile

Blown2CV

28,809 posts

203 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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i've signed up for Pact coffee. Basically it's a subscription thing, but you tell them how often you want it, and how much you want. The sign up process asks you how you make your coffee (even an aeropress option!), what sort of things you like, occasions on which you drink etc., then they recommend you a different one each time (unless you get settled one particular ones) and send it out. Seems pretty good, although I don't receive the first one till March so will reserve judgement till then. I've got an offer code if you want first bag delivered for a quid - PM me.

gfunk

279 posts

212 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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I don't like coffee but I need one of these!

Vyse

1,224 posts

124 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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Whats the best coffee machine or coffee making device that I can buy for £20? Can those espresso maker things (metal hexagon shaped kettle things) be used for making normal coffee?

Thanks

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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I guess you mean a Bialetti Moka Express.

Depends on your definition of normal! I have a 6 cup Bialetti, and I usually add hot water to half of the brewed coffee to make a large cup. You can just drink the entire thing if you wanted to, but that's quite a bit of coffee.

For £20 I'm pretty sure it's the ideal thing to buy, but someone might correct me.