Michelin Starred Restaurants

[tomw2000]

Greshamst said:

You went to a michelin starred restaurant, that wasn't a steak house, and ordered steak. Your opinion isn't relevant. Such a waste of a good opportunity.

It's the school holidays, right? You silly little girl.

The op had asked for Michelin recommends. I've been to the following (many of them multiple times and that probably isn't the full list) so thought I'd give feedback on my experience and the Royal Oak place. I've done tasting menus etc to the nth degree. The fact I only had steak at royal thingy is hardly relevant to my opinion.

Excuse typos etc am on mobile:


Abbaye de le bussiere, Burgundy France.
Guy savoy - paris
Le crayiers - Reims
Royal champagne - epernay
Lameloise - chagny France
Le benaton - beaune France
Le Montrachet - puligny Montrachet France
Le Charlemagne - Pernand vergeless France
levernois - nr Beaune France

El cellar di con rocca - Girona

French laundry - Napa valley

Enotecca pinciorri - Florence

Gordon Ramsey hospital road
Hambleton hall
L'enclume
the Olive branch - Clipsham
Royal Oak Paley st.
Le champion de sauvage
Devonshire arms bolton abbey
Tom Kitchin Edinburgh
Martin wisharts Edinburgh
The fat duck Bray
Hakasaan London
Sat bains - Nottingham
Le manoir - great Milton
Roger Hickman's - Norwich
Morston hall - nr Holt Norfolk
Winteringham fields - North Lincs

Robuchon - vegas in May and couple
Of others I can't remember name of.

Edited by tomw2000 on Monday 17th August 18:49

Edited by tomw2000 on Monday 17th August 20:23

[okgo]

lauda said:

I agree. But most of the really good steaks I've had, with the exception of Hawksmoor, have been at Michelin starred places. They generally have very high quality suppliers and chefs who know what they're doing.

Most steakhouse, in my experience, have neither.

I never have steak at a really decent place as I think between the big steak houses, MASH, Goodmans, Hawksmoor etc it's ticked off. Save a proper place for something exciting and different. Which generally they are anyway as you don't get stars for serving up well cooked steaks as it's hardly difficult

[illmonkey]

okgo said:

lauda said:

I agree. But most of the really good steaks I've had, with the exception of Hawksmoor, have been at Michelin starred places. They generally have very high quality suppliers and chefs who know what they're doing.

Most steakhouse, in my experience, have neither.

I never have steak at a really decent place as I think between the big steak houses, MASH, Goodmans, Hawksmoor etc it's ticked off. Save a proper place for something exciting and different. Which generally they are anyway as you don't get stars for serving up well cooked steaks as it's hardly difficult

I generally order steak, gives me a clear comparison between places. It's got nothing to do with me being a fussy git.

[CharlieB]

Midsummer House in Cambridge
And if in south London Chez Bruce always worth a trip

[BJG1]

Greshamst said:

You went to a michelin starred restaurant, that wasn't a steak house, and ordered steak. Your opinion isn't relevant. Such a waste of a good opportunity.

If I go to a michelin star restaurant I expect them to have only put dishes that they can execute brilliantly on the menu. They only have 7 mains FFS, they should all be of an exceptional standard.

[okgo]

illmonkey said:

I generally order steak, gives me a clear comparison between places. It's got nothing to do with me being a fussy git.

I don't think the steak places can be much bettered. Anyway, I'll never know as I do find it akin to going to a beer festival and demanding Carling

[illmonkey]

How'd you know my favourite beer?!

Like I say, I'm fussy, so duck liver or something isn't my bag, but the missus likes that stuff. So I get to enjoy a steak with white wine

[okgo]

Yeh, duck liver is proper out there

[illmonkey]

You're starting to understand my fussiness!

[Greshamst]

illmonkey said:

okgo said:

lauda said:

I agree. But most of the really good steaks I've had, with the exception of Hawksmoor, have been at Michelin starred places. They generally have very high quality suppliers and chefs who know what they're doing.

Most steakhouse, in my experience, have neither.

I never have steak at a really decent place as I think between the big steak houses, MASH, Goodmans, Hawksmoor etc it's ticked off. Save a proper place for something exciting and different. Which generally they are anyway as you don't get stars for serving up well cooked steaks as it's hardly difficult

I generally order steak, gives me a clear comparison between places. It's got nothing to do with me being a fussy git.

So you go to multiple Michelin star restaurants, with great chefs, and out of all the possible dishes you could choose to experience what gave them those stars, you choose steak? The other dishes that have had hours of preperation put into them with multiple ingredients to create layers of flavour, you decide that the best comparison is a peice of steak that is cooked for less than 10 minutes? Again, what a waste.

[illmonkey]

Greshamst said:

illmonkey said:

okgo said:

lauda said:

I agree. But most of the really good steaks I've had, with the exception of Hawksmoor, have been at Michelin starred places. They generally have very high quality suppliers and chefs who know what they're doing.

Most steakhouse, in my experience, have neither.

I never have steak at a really decent place as I think between the big steak houses, MASH, Goodmans, Hawksmoor etc it's ticked off. Save a proper place for something exciting and different. Which generally they are anyway as you don't get stars for serving up well cooked steaks as it's hardly difficult

I generally order steak, gives me a clear comparison between places. It's got nothing to do with me being a fussy git.

So you go to multiple Michelin star restaurants, with great chefs, and out of all the possible dishes you could choose to experience what gave them those stars, you choose steak? The other dishes that have had hours of preperation put into them with multiple ingredients to create layers of flavour, you decide that the best comparison is a peice of steak that is cooked for less than 10 minutes? Again, what a waste.

So? It's my money, I do with it what I please. Like I've said, I go with people who do enjoy it, and steak is reasonably priced compared to some of the dishes. I enjoy the good wine and atmosphere and the people I go with enjoy the food also. Why limit my missus to the local pub because I'm fussy?

Do I really need to answer to you?

[bigandclever]

Bullett said:

No one mentioned L'Ortolan?

I was going to, and would heartily recommend it, but the OP said about 6 times "I don't like French food". Bit sweeping, but there you go

[tuffer]

tomw2000 said:

Abbaye de le bussiere, Burgundy France.
Lameloise - chagny France
Le benaton - beaune France
Le Montrachet - puligny Montrachet France
Le Charlemagne - Pernand vergeless France
levernois - nr Beaune France

Edited by tomw2000 on Monday 17th August 18:49

Edited by tomw2000 on Monday 17th August 20:23

Headed to Pommard for two weeks in September, thanks.....

[toasty]

bigandclever said:

No one mentioned L'Ortolan?

Does anywhere actually serve Ortolan in England? It sounds gross and is illegal in France. Anyone tried it?

[tomw2000]

tuffer said:

Headed to Pommard for two weeks in September, thanks.....

Enjoy! I've been going to Burgundy 2-3 times a year for the last 10 years!
Of the list I gave, I'd probably not bother with Le montrachet in puligny again.
Huge fan of the Abbaye (it's where my wife and I stay).
Le Charlemagne is 'fusiony' and makes a nice change from all the other, often heavy Burgundy fare.
And I like Benaton in Beaune too.
Lameloise in Chagny I also recall being very good.

[tuffer]

tomw2000 said:

Enjoy! I've been going to Burgundy 2-3 times a year for the last 10 years!
Of the list I gave, I'd probably not bother with Le montrachet in puligny again.
Huge fan of the Abbaye (it's where my wife and I stay).
Le Charlemagne is 'fusiony' and makes a nice change from all the other, often heavy Burgundy fare.
And I like Benaton in Beaune too.
Lameloise in Chagny I also recall being very good.

Awesome, thanks. Any tips on some good Chateau's for picking up a few cases :-) We went to Chateau Corton Andre last year which was rather nice (going to finish off the last few bottles of Grand cru this weekend).

[Bullett]

toasty said:

bigandclever said:

No one mentioned L'Ortolan?

Does anywhere actually serve Ortolan in England? It sounds gross and is illegal in France. Anyone tried it?

Not to my knowledge, not that I'd want to.

I'm curious what the OP actually means by French food.

[tomw2000]

tuffer said:

Awesome, thanks. Any tips on some good Chateau's for picking up a few cases :-) We went to Chateau Corton Andre last year which was rather nice (going to finish off the last few bottles of Grand cru this weekend).

Depends on the sort of thing you're after I guess.

http://www.drouhin.com/en/#/Exception
Drouhin has some very nice stuff and the cellar tour they do in Beaune (+ tasting!) is well worth it IMO.

I also enjoyed visiting Phillipe Chavy in Puligny for the first time when I was there in May:

http://www.domaine-philippechavy.com/appellation/p...

His 2013s were VERY good. And I left with a wallet somewhat lighter

Mischief and Mayhem - in Aloxe Corton are also doing really interesting wines and I will be going back:
http://www.mischiefandmayhem.com/cellar-door

[lauda]

Greshamst said:

So you go to multiple Michelin star restaurants, with great chefs, and out of all the possible dishes you could choose to experience what gave them those stars, you choose steak? The other dishes that have had hours of preperation put into them with multiple ingredients to create layers of flavour, you decide that the best comparison is a peice of steak that is cooked for less than 10 minutes? Again, what a waste.

You need to chill out about what other people choose to eat. It really shouldn't bother you this much.

And how many really top end restaurants have you been to where they serve steak? As in steak and chips?

I can't think of a single one other than gastropubs (H&F, The Hind's Head). There may be a beef main course but as much time, effort and skill will have gone into that as any other dish on the menu.

Oh, and by far and away the best steak I've ever had was in The Hind's Head. It was a fantastic piece of meat and expertly cooked. It came with bonemarrow sauce and triple-cooked chips. Funnily enough, they don't do those down my local Harvester and it was easily worth the price charged, despite being the most expensive thing on the menu. If I went back there, I'd have it again in a heartbeat.

God, what a heathen I must be.

[thebraketester]

I don't usually go for steak in decent restaurants, because I can get really good steak and do it myself at home. I like to go and have something to eat that I might not cook myself. Having said that, I have had some amazing steaks in restaurants. :-)