Michelin Starred Restaurants
Discussion
Greshamst said:
So you go to multiple Michelin star restaurants, with great chefs, and out of all the possible dishes you could choose to experience what gave them those stars, you choose steak? The other dishes that have had hours of preperation put into them with multiple ingredients to create layers of flavour, you decide that the best comparison is a peice of steak that is cooked for less than 10 minutes? Again, what a waste.
Pull your head out of your arse.okgo said:
He's bang on though. Tone and delivery all wrong but bang on.
No, he's being pretentious and condescending. The only important thing about eating out is that you choose the meal that you would like to eat most. I can cook a steak better than 95% of places where I've had one. I've often expected that it will be less good than one I could do myself at home. But at that point in time, I fancied a steak more than I fancied anything else on the menu, so I had one.
Why that might be such a difficult concept for people to grasp is beyond me.
It's like suggesting that vegetarians shouldn't be allowed to eat out in fancy restaurants since the entire experience will be wasted as they won't eat any meat or fish.
lauda said:
okgo said:
He's bang on though. Tone and delivery all wrong but bang on.
No, he's being pretentious and condescending. The only important thing about eating out is that you choose the meal that you would like to eat most. I can cook a steak better than 95% of places where I've had one. I've often expected that it will be less good than one I could do myself at home. But at that point in time, I fancied a steak more than I fancied anything else on the menu, so I had one.
Why that might be such a difficult concept for people to grasp is beyond me.
It's like suggesting that vegetarians shouldn't be allowed to eat out in fancy restaurants since the entire experience will be wasted as they won't eat any meat or fish.
Think what you want, I like steak. Get over yourselves! I'm not making you buy and eat it.
tomw2000 said:
Depends on the sort of thing you're after I guess.
http://www.drouhin.com/en/#/Exception
Drouhin has some very nice stuff and the cellar tour they do in Beaune (+ tasting!) is well worth it IMO.
I also enjoyed visiting Phillipe Chavy in Puligny for the first time when I was there in May:
http://www.domaine-philippechavy.com/appellation/p...
His 2013s were VERY good. And I left with a wallet somewhat lighter
Mischief and Mayhem - in Aloxe Corton are also doing really interesting wines and I will be going back:
http://www.mischiefandmayhem.com/cellar-door
Noted, thanks.http://www.drouhin.com/en/#/Exception
Drouhin has some very nice stuff and the cellar tour they do in Beaune (+ tasting!) is well worth it IMO.
I also enjoyed visiting Phillipe Chavy in Puligny for the first time when I was there in May:
http://www.domaine-philippechavy.com/appellation/p...
His 2013s were VERY good. And I left with a wallet somewhat lighter
Mischief and Mayhem - in Aloxe Corton are also doing really interesting wines and I will be going back:
http://www.mischiefandmayhem.com/cellar-door
The reason that places have menus is so that you can choose what you like.
I prefer the chef to decide but this is expensive. For me the acid test is lunch, most Michelin starred places do lunch for around £35 with a very limited menu to choose from. The result is that I will invariably choose something other than steak (because it's unlikely to be available) which is great because it broadens my experience. It's surprising how much flavour these guys can get out of a cheap cut of meat.
Taster menus are my favourite, someone mentioned El Cellar Del Can Rocca earlier and their 15 course taster with wine flight is quite adventurous with no choice at all, what a great way to try something new, I loved it - a 5 hour lunch.
Ate lunch at L'Ortolan 2 weeks ago, taster menu again and, while not very adventurous, was excellent.
If someone does not like French or Chinese food I'd suggest that you save your money. Not to be malicious but I suspect that you will find yourself in the 'it was crap and I stopped for a bag of chips on the way home' camp.
I prefer the chef to decide but this is expensive. For me the acid test is lunch, most Michelin starred places do lunch for around £35 with a very limited menu to choose from. The result is that I will invariably choose something other than steak (because it's unlikely to be available) which is great because it broadens my experience. It's surprising how much flavour these guys can get out of a cheap cut of meat.
Taster menus are my favourite, someone mentioned El Cellar Del Can Rocca earlier and their 15 course taster with wine flight is quite adventurous with no choice at all, what a great way to try something new, I loved it - a 5 hour lunch.
Ate lunch at L'Ortolan 2 weeks ago, taster menu again and, while not very adventurous, was excellent.
If someone does not like French or Chinese food I'd suggest that you save your money. Not to be malicious but I suspect that you will find yourself in the 'it was crap and I stopped for a bag of chips on the way home' camp.
I can thoroughly recommend Hedone :- http://www.hedonerestaurant.com/
Mind blowing food along the lines of The Fat Duck.
We went for the 7 course tasting menu and are going back for the 12 soon :-)
Even with the wine supplement it is very reasonable.
Only downside would be getting to Chiswick, West London.
Mind blowing food along the lines of The Fat Duck.
We went for the 7 course tasting menu and are going back for the 12 soon :-)
Even with the wine supplement it is very reasonable.
Only downside would be getting to Chiswick, West London.
Bullett said:
toasty said:
bigandclever said:
No one mentioned L'Ortolan?
Does anywhere actually serve Ortolan in England? It sounds gross and is illegal in France. Anyone tried it?I'm curious what the OP actually means by French food.
It's mainly for my gf more than me. Re having steak at a Michelin starred restaurant, what's wrong what that? Ice had steak at various places. Some weren't as goodness others, and having a top chef cook a steak is bound to be better than the local £10 steak place.
Conversely, one of the best beef burgers I've ever had was at a motorway service station in France.
lauda said:
No, he's being pretentious and condescending. The only important thing about eating out is that you choose the meal that you would like to eat most.
He's right that going to a Michelin starred restaurant and ordering steak could be seen as a wasted opportunity, given the numerous other choices including 'signature' dishes that would be available.You're right that you should have whatever you fancy at the time and if you choose steak, so be it.
Can we move on now?
Murph7355 said:
- out of town : Le Manoir. Stay over if you can.
- in town, Ramsay on Royal Hospital Road.
I'm with sidicks on the steak thing. Why pay stupid money when any half decent restaurant will do it just as well. But if you really want to...
Can I suggest the crazy bear for the overnight stay?- in town, Ramsay on Royal Hospital Road.
I'm with sidicks on the steak thing. Why pay stupid money when any half decent restaurant will do it just as well. But if you really want to...
5 mins done the road, but the rooms are great and you can do shooting the next day, perfect!
Murph7355 said:
- out of town : Le Manoir. Stay over if you can.
Assuming you're going to go for the tasting menu at Le Manoir (which I'd always recommend so that you get to try a wider variety of dishes) then, for 2 people, you're looking at £4-500 for dinner or 2 x £4-500 if you include the room as well.Personally I'd rather have two separate visits for dinner and have the inconvenience of driving!
bigandclever said:
Bullett said:
No one mentioned L'Ortolan?
I was going to, and would heartily recommend it, but the OP said about 6 times "I don't like French food". Bit sweeping, but there you go 
Edit - I understand that the chef that night is now the head chef - well deserved and I hope they keep the star.
All 'French' though.
I can honestly say I don't think I've ever had Frogs legs, snails are extremely rare (snail porridge at the Fat Duck is the only one that occurs, and he's not cooking in the french style) foie gras crops up quite often but is avoidable. I actually think that phrase is most appropriate french style, using techniques that were invented or populised in france. A lot of it is scary french names for common food.
Enjoy the Royal Oak.
I can honestly say I don't think I've ever had Frogs legs, snails are extremely rare (snail porridge at the Fat Duck is the only one that occurs, and he's not cooking in the french style) foie gras crops up quite often but is avoidable. I actually think that phrase is most appropriate french style, using techniques that were invented or populised in france. A lot of it is scary french names for common food.
Enjoy the Royal Oak.
Bullett said:
All 'French' though.
I can honestly say I don't think I've ever had Frogs legs, snails are extremely rare (snail porridge at the Fat Duck is the only one that occurs, and he's not cooking in the french style) foie gras crops up quite often but is avoidable. I actually think that phrase is most appropriate french style, using techniques that were invented or populised in france. A lot of it is scary french names for common food.
Enjoy the Royal Oak.
I am going to attempt to be braver with my choices and look at French style restaurants. I guess I just feel into the stereotypical view..I can honestly say I don't think I've ever had Frogs legs, snails are extremely rare (snail porridge at the Fat Duck is the only one that occurs, and he's not cooking in the french style) foie gras crops up quite often but is avoidable. I actually think that phrase is most appropriate french style, using techniques that were invented or populised in france. A lot of it is scary french names for common food.
Enjoy the Royal Oak.
Cheers.
TheAngryDog said:
I am going to attempt to be braver with my choices and look at French style restaurants. I guess I just feel into the stereotypical view..
Cheers.
There are at least 4 'French' dishes on the menu at the Royal Oak and most of the puds, get them down your neck you'll love them all Cheers.
Exactly.
To avoid French food at the level we're talking about means you have to go for very much a national cuisine. 90%+ Michelin starred restaurants will have their menu rooted firmly in French cuisine, whether overtly French or not.
Maybe try 2+ AA rosettes if you want decent food but with more options, although I understand people are utterly obsessed with Michelin.
To avoid French food at the level we're talking about means you have to go for very much a national cuisine. 90%+ Michelin starred restaurants will have their menu rooted firmly in French cuisine, whether overtly French or not.
Maybe try 2+ AA rosettes if you want decent food but with more options, although I understand people are utterly obsessed with Michelin.
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