What's your favourite sandwich filling? Opening a shop soon
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technodup said:
Bacon Is Proof said:
Obviously McDonalds is successful, I was just pointing out that fresh food does work.
Fresh coleslaw takes a minute or two to make and costs peanuts, the only reason not to is laziness.
http://breadandmeat.co.uk/
Been rammed since it opened almost two years ago.
11th on tripadvisor out of 500+
Fresh coleslaw.
ETA: nothing to do with me.
Rammed full of wFresh coleslaw takes a minute or two to make and costs peanuts, the only reason not to is laziness.
http://breadandmeat.co.uk/
Been rammed since it opened almost two years ago.
11th on tripadvisor out of 500+
Fresh coleslaw.
ETA: nothing to do with me.
kers. £7 for a vegetable sandwich? And that's the cheapest option?I'd like to see how that goes down when they open up in Glasgow, or Sunderland or Cardiff.
ZedLeg said:
Kember and Jones probably charge about £7 for a sit in sandwich and they're always busy. If the food and coffee are good people will come.
The less said about the west end the better. Hateful place, full of students, fannies and wannabes.I had the misfortune to be in one of its pubs (sorry, bars) last week. No lager except Tennents and some rank £5 a pint job. No Morgan's Spiced. No Jack Daniels. No Gordon's. A gantry packed with 'premium' spirits at a premium price tag. Short measures. w
ky staff. Worse customers. Trouble is they've now reached my neck of the woods as well. Pollokshields is dry for obvious reasons but Strathbungo is now a hipster enclave. Haven't seen a £7 sandwich yet though. Burn them all.
Ah so when you say Glasgow, you mean your one small part of Glasgow that you don't want to ever change ever? You're right though,that one bar in the west end is ste. It's a shame there aren't any other ones 
.
Does it get tiring being so annoyed about how other people choose to live their lives all the time?
te. It's a shame there aren't any other ones .Does it get tiring being so annoyed about how other people choose to live their lives all the time?
technodup said:
Bacon Is Proof said:
Obviously McDonalds is successful, I was just pointing out that fresh food does work.
Fresh coleslaw takes a minute or two to make and costs peanuts, the only reason not to is laziness.
http://breadandmeat.co.uk/
Been rammed since it opened almost two years ago.
11th on tripadvisor out of 500+
Fresh coleslaw.
ETA: nothing to do with me.
Rammed full of wFresh coleslaw takes a minute or two to make and costs peanuts, the only reason not to is laziness.
http://breadandmeat.co.uk/
Been rammed since it opened almost two years ago.
11th on tripadvisor out of 500+
Fresh coleslaw.
ETA: nothing to do with me.
kers. £7 for a vegetable sandwich? And that's the cheapest option?I'd like to see how that goes down when they open up in Glasgow, or Sunderland or Cardiff.
Not everyone wants to eat the cheapest s
ttest food they can stuff into their mouths. An I am one of those wkers you refer to. I've been to the above mentioned place a few times and the food is worth every penny. Maybe, just maybe, the owners did their research before opening and came to the conclusion that opening such a business in Cambridge would be viable and sustainable. Even though there is plenty of competition at this price point. It's not like they are competing with Greggs like they would in the cities you mention.
Hope you have a better day today. xx
48Valves said:
It's not like they are competing with Greggs like they would in the cities you mention.
Glasgow has a very good food scene, we can do a bit better than Greggs 
. Not that there's anything wrong with a cheeky sausage and bean bake when you're trying to crawl into work on a hangover.
48Valves said:
Poor little princess not have a good day yesterday?
Not everyone wants to eat the cheapest sttest food they can stuff into their mouths. An I am one of those wkers you refer to. I've been to the above mentioned place a few times and the food is worth every penny.
Maybe, just maybe, the owners did their research before opening and came to the conclusion that opening such a business in Cambridge would be viable and sustainable. Even though there is plenty of competition at this price point. It's not like they are competing with Greggs like they would in the cities you mention.
Hope you have a better day today. xx
He wasn't saying it's not sustainable in Cambridge. Time will tell, but the demographic (students aside I suspect) suits that sort of place (and if I wanted a roast meat sarnie, I'd give it a go).Not everyone wants to eat the cheapest s
ttest food they can stuff into their mouths. An I am one of those wkers you refer to. I've been to the above mentioned place a few times and the food is worth every penny. Maybe, just maybe, the owners did their research before opening and came to the conclusion that opening such a business in Cambridge would be viable and sustainable. Even though there is plenty of competition at this price point. It's not like they are competing with Greggs like they would in the cities you mention.
Hope you have a better day today. xx
He's saying that in the vast majority of the country, you'd get laughed at for paying £7 for a vegetable sandwich. And he's right.
There is definitely a niche for high end sandwiches in some places. But "niche" and "some" are the key words.
Mind you, Pret do OK, they seem to be nearly everywhere and their sandwiches aren't exactly cheap and aren't really high end. So there's obviously some room to manoeuvre.
A friend of mine runs a sandwich shop near a station. IIRC he noted coffee is very lucrative and easy to do well. Plus bacon sandwiches. Keeping an eye on costs is key but don't scrimp...an extra rasher of bacon goes a long way to making sure people come back.
Trabi601 said:
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I hope your idea of success isn't reflected in the cars in your profile!
If that's success, I'd give up now.
That list is well out of date. I've had a succession of large V8s and Nissan Micras since then.I hope your idea of success isn't reflected in the cars in your profile!
If that's success, I'd give up now.
My current ride is a rather spiffing bicycle.
My idea of success is running businesses with happy customers, happy staff, and having the option to retire before I'm 50.
Enjoy your walk to KFC.
Afternoon guys
I thought I better update this thread, seeing as it's been resurrected.
Progress has been slow, as there was still a lease running on the place with the previous occupier (unfortunately deceased), and so that needed terminating before ours could be drawn up. This should happen in the next couple weeks, so until then, we've been trying to do as much as we can without doing anything to the shop itself, such as contacting suppliers (local and national) and pricing up the food and drinks etc. Also trying to design the place on paper, ready for us to go in all guns when we eventually get inside the gaff!
After working out costings, it looks like we have to make around £68 per day to cover the place (based on mon-sat). To me that seems do-able in cups of tea alone!
We won't be a £5 sandwich shop. We will do all the original fillings, and throw in the weekly specials and a few poncey ones too. A basic ham sandwich (ham, butter and bread) sandwich in Tesco is £2.10, so surely freshly prepared in front of you will command a few pennies more!?
Again, thanks for all the replies, and keep any ideas/suggestions coming
Cheers
I thought I better update this thread, seeing as it's been resurrected.
Progress has been slow, as there was still a lease running on the place with the previous occupier (unfortunately deceased), and so that needed terminating before ours could be drawn up. This should happen in the next couple weeks, so until then, we've been trying to do as much as we can without doing anything to the shop itself, such as contacting suppliers (local and national) and pricing up the food and drinks etc. Also trying to design the place on paper, ready for us to go in all guns when we eventually get inside the gaff!
After working out costings, it looks like we have to make around £68 per day to cover the place (based on mon-sat). To me that seems do-able in cups of tea alone!
We won't be a £5 sandwich shop. We will do all the original fillings, and throw in the weekly specials and a few poncey ones too. A basic ham sandwich (ham, butter and bread) sandwich in Tesco is £2.10, so surely freshly prepared in front of you will command a few pennies more!?
Again, thanks for all the replies, and keep any ideas/suggestions coming
Cheers
ZedLeg said:
Ah so when you say Glasgow, you mean your one small part of Glasgow that you don't want to ever change ever?
Well no, I mean virtually the entire city.Blue- Mostly outside the city boundary, but could pay £7 for a piece
Yellow- Not many yellows in Glasgow, unlikely to pay anywhere near £7
Orange- No chance of paying over £3 for a piece
Red- Lucky if they've even got £3 in their pocket, and if they do it's going on a bottle of cider
The wealthiest people I know wouldn't pay it either, not a chance. Which leaves me with students, wannabes and hipsters, or in PH terms the 'Audi S-Line on tick to impress the neighbours' crew.
Glasgow doesn't get its 'most deprived' tag for nothing. Outside the WE and bits of the southside it's a s
tehole. (Well I think the WE with it's students, lack of parking and overpriced housing is a stehole too but that's another thread).http://simd.scot/2016/#/simd2016/BTTTFTT/9/-4.0000...
Don't underestimate how difficult £68 can be!
You say you reckon you'd do it in cups of tea alone... But on a cash margin of a quid a cup (generous) you'd need to sell more than a petrol station seeing an order of magnitude of customers more!
Put it this way, a Costa express machine doing 50 cups a day is average...
You say you reckon you'd do it in cups of tea alone... But on a cash margin of a quid a cup (generous) you'd need to sell more than a petrol station seeing an order of magnitude of customers more!
Put it this way, a Costa express machine doing 50 cups a day is average...
To the OP:
Don't forget seasonality (if relevant). There were days in January where we would see £50 through he till, snow , ice etc Come the summer we'd have people sitting on the pavement with a bottle of wine, waiting an hour plus for a table.
It's a numbers game. Focus on the accounts as much as the product.
Don't forget seasonality (if relevant). There were days in January where we would see £50 through he till, snow , ice etc Come the summer we'd have people sitting on the pavement with a bottle of wine, waiting an hour plus for a table.
It's a numbers game. Focus on the accounts as much as the product.
ZedLeg said:
You're assertation that there is no space for anything but the most basic is ridiculous though.
That wasn't my assertion.As I've said several times, as have others, there are places where you can command £7 for a sandwich but they're few and far between.
Gordon Ramsay is a 3* world renowned local boy and even he couldn't get top dollar in Glasgow. As a general rule we don't 'do poncy'.
technodup said:
Blown2CV said:
As much as people might hate the idea of spending a fiver on a sandwich, if it's really good, uses unusual and incredibly tasty ingredients and combinations, nice bread etc then you'll be busy and with a booming business.
Without wanting to rerun the thread that is a recipe for being out of business inside a month in the vast majority of the country.A fiver for a piece. Pfft.
ker is going to pay £2 for a paper cup of nescafe; however there is a new coffee cart guy who is parked up at the steps outside my work, and he's knocking out tiny cups of fresh and good quality coffee which really tastes unusual - £2.50 for a really small cup. There's a queue constantly. Just because you wouldn't pay it, doesn't mean it wouldn't work. It doesn't even mean it wouldn't work in your area tbh... unless you're all like you?
Trouble is, at least as I see it, once you get towards a 5 quid sandwich, you're deep into Subway territory.
Never underestimate the power of a brand - starting up unbranded is always a challenge - when I look at my portfolio of customers, the ones earning big money are those who understand the power of a brand. Those who think they can go it alone are the ones struggling.
If there's a Subway or Greggs nearby, then opening up a non-branded sandwich shop is going to be a very big gamble, and, as I see it, a quick way to burn through your investment cash.
Never underestimate the power of a brand - starting up unbranded is always a challenge - when I look at my portfolio of customers, the ones earning big money are those who understand the power of a brand. Those who think they can go it alone are the ones struggling.
If there's a Subway or Greggs nearby, then opening up a non-branded sandwich shop is going to be a very big gamble, and, as I see it, a quick way to burn through your investment cash.
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