Is supermarket meat generally Halal

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jamoor said:

Kosher slaughter is similar and the prayer is to the same god.

So it's halal.

And that's when the fight started......


Seriously though It's not the same prayer.

So saying "Dear Lord, please can you make sure United stuff Liverpool on Monday" wouldn't make the lamb halal.

[jamoor]

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And that's when the fight started......


Seriously though It's not the same prayer.

So saying "Dear Lord, please can you make sure United stuff Liverpool on Monday" wouldn't make the lamb halal.

Ok regardless. Kosher is halal do your research before making stuff up.

[V8mate]

Back in my teens, I worked in a poultry slaughterhouse for a few weeks one summer. One of the staff was a Muslim and it was sufficient that as long as he carried out the executions for a certain part of the day - which wasn't long; maybe an hour - that all the meat for that day could be 'signed off' as halal.

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jamoor said:

Ok regardless. Kosher is halal do your research before making stuff up.

I'm a muslim. Kosher isn't halal. I don't know a single muslim who believes it is.

It's permissible when there is no halal food available, but then so is Pork. It is categorically NOT halal in everyday terms. I'm happy to accept that I might be wrong about halal being acceptable to jews but I know for a fact that Kosher is not considered halal by muslims.

[ApOrbital]

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jamoor said:

Kosher slaughter is similar and the prayer is to the same god.

So it's halal.

And that's when the fight started......


Seriously though It's not the same prayer.

So saying "Dear Lord, please can you make sure United stuff Liverpool on Monday" wouldn't make the lamb halal.

How very dare you liverpool 3 manchester 1


I'm sure most of the currys i get are halal the takeaways are as they print it on the menu so i stay away from them.

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V8mate said:

Back in my teens, I worked in a poultry slaughterhouse for a few weeks one summer. One of the staff was a Muslim and it was sufficient that as long as he carried out the executions for a certain part of the day - which wasn't long; maybe an hour - that all the meat for that day could be 'signed off' as halal.

Who signed it off as "Halal"? Or to put it another way how did the halal butchers who bought stuff from you know that it was halal?

[ApOrbital]

And lets not turn this into a bh fight guys and girls this is FD&R

[V8mate]

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V8mate said:

Back in my teens, I worked in a poultry slaughterhouse for a few weeks one summer. One of the staff was a Muslim and it was sufficient that as long as he carried out the executions for a certain part of the day - which wasn't long; maybe an hour - that all the meat for that day could be 'signed off' as halal.

Who signed it off as "Halal"? Or to put it another way how did the halal butchers who bought stuff from you know that it was halal?

Dunno. I was just a teenage summer worker

All I remember was that as long as he did a certain amount of the throat-cutting/blood-letting of the animals, the production was deemed halal.

[battered]

jamoor said:

battered said:

No it isn't. Some people or sectors of the media might like to suggest that it is to stir up a bit more resentment.

Kosher is halal
Halal isn't kosher

Yes, I know, I was replying to the original post. Most supermarket meat is NOT halal. I've manufactured a good few of the products in question.

Edited by battered on Sunday 16th October 20:13

[battered]

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I'm a muslim. Kosher isn't halal. I don't know a single muslim who believes it is.

It's permissible when there is no halal food available, but then so is Pork. It is categorically NOT halal in everyday terms. I'm happy to accept that I might be wrong about halal being acceptable to jews but I know for a fact that Kosher is not considered halal by muslims.

I suspect that the converse applies also. When I have obtained Kosher certification for a factory, it has to be signed off by a rabbi. Similarly, halal is signed off by a suitable inspector. While the 2 processes may share physical requirements this is not sufficient, the one's word is not accepted by the other. Apart from anything else the other individuals aren't considered to be competent to assess the other set of requirements.

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ApOrbital said:

I'm sure most of the currys i get are halal the takeaways are as they print it on the menu so i stay away from them.

They probably are (halal) as most of the staff in indian takeaways tend to be Bengali (Muslim), same as Indian restaurants. Similarly the "meat" in most Pizza kebab places tends to be halal as they're owned by muslims.

[jamoor]

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I'm a muslim. Kosher isn't halal. I don't know a single muslim who believes it is.

It's permissible when there is no halal food available, but then so is Pork. It is categorically NOT halal in everyday terms. I'm happy to accept that I might be wrong about halal being acceptable to jews but I know for a fact that Kosher is not considered halal by muslims.

Kosher meat is halal, seriously!

Lots of kosher products have halal certification.

See this website, all of their food is Kosher.

http://gilbertskosherfoods.co.uk/

[RizzoTheRat]

Surely that just means that those products are both Kosher and Halal, not that all Kosher is Halal or vice versa?

[jamoor]

RizzoTheRat said:

Surely that just means that those products are both Kosher and Halal, not that all Kosher is Halal or vice versa?

They are all halal because they are Kosher.

[Fastchas]

I was told, ten years ago, by the owner of a beefburger manufacturer that he bought all his meat from Ireland and that it was halal. He told me that all Halal beef is ONLY hindquarter meat, and that muslims won't eat the forequarter meat. Obviously, this means there is an abundance of forequarter meat which has to be eaten. He said most of this found its way into schools, hospitals etc but also McDonalds bought their beef from Ireland as well as him. Of course, this is only what I was told and I don't know if it's credible.
Interestingly, he said after tests done on the meat from Halal and non-halal meat, it was noticed the halal meat was of better quality. This more often than not reflects how stressed the animal was during the slaughter and that the animals were relaxed when the had their head pushed up and restrained. I have seen pigs stunned in the stunning pen and it's not relaxed for them at all, being chased around by the operative with the tongs. Granted now, they follow like a conveyor belt rather than 10-12 pigs into one stun pen at a time.

[jamoor]

Fastchas said:

ONLY hindquarter meat,

Absolute rubbish.

The whole cow is halal.

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RizzoTheRat said:

Surely that just means that those products are both Kosher and Halal, not that all Kosher is Halal or vice versa?

I'm genuinely not sure why Jamoor is insistent on ALL Kosher food automatically being Halal. It categorically isn't. The shahadha prayer has to be said whilst the animal is being slaughtered. Now it may be that halal meat qualifies as kosher but Kosher isn't always halal.

[Fastchas]

jamoor said:

Fastchas said:

ONLY hindquarter meat,

Absolute rubbish.

The whole cow is halal.

I/he never said anything to the contrary, only that only the hindquarter of the beast is eaten by muslims.

[battered]

Fastchas said:

I have seen pigs stunned in the stunning pen and it's not relaxed for them at all, being chased around by the operative with the tongs.

I haven't, and you would have to be out of your mind to start chasing pigs around a pen with tongs as this is the easiest way I know of producing PSE meat that nobody wants to buy. Anyone giving a pig a stressful time in any abbatoir I know finds themselves in the office very promptly.

[jamoor]

Fastchas said:

I/he never said anything to the contrary, only that only the hindquarter of the beast is eaten by muslims.

Nope, not really.

Maybe in some countries they don't eat it all, but I doubt that.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cow+p...