Won't be bothering with pubs from now on.

[Trabi601]

battered said:

That's barley wine, not beer. Nothing wrong with it, but it's not beer.

It's a pretty extreme example of trying to show that Guinness is 'watery' - and definitely isn't a drink to sink a few pints of.

I'm currently drinking Lidl 'Festbier', which is quite a strong tasting brew. Alongside another favourite, Robinson's Old Tom, it would indeed taste a little thin - but that doesn't make it in any way tasteless and watery.

[InductionRoar]

Trabi601 said:

battered said:

That's barley wine, not beer. Nothing wrong with it, but it's not beer.

It's a pretty extreme example of trying to show that Guinness is 'watery' - and definitely isn't a drink to sink a few pints of.

Not really. If I was trying to do that I would have posted this picture.

[Zod]

InductionRoar said:

thebraketester said:

If you like Guinness, next time you are near the lyceum walk back up Wellington Street and go to the Coach and Horses. Best in town.

I've never got this. Guinness seems to be the most location specific drink in creation. People say "Oh, you've never tried a Guinness 'til you have tried one in Dublin".

Why? What happens to it in transit? Surely it is the same watery, tasteless and overhyped beer regardless of where it is served?

In Dublin. It's not pasteurised. In London it is, so the idea that it's better in one pub in London is nonsense.

[Zod]

Hugo a Gogo said:

battered said:

That's barley wine, not beer. Nothing wrong with it, but it's not beer.

'barley wine' is in fact a type of beer though

Yes, nasty beer.

[InductionRoar]

Zod said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

battered said:

That's barley wine, not beer. Nothing wrong with it, but it's not beer.

'barley wine' is in fact a type of beer though

Yes, nasty beer.

English or American?

[bingybongy]

Zod said:

InductionRoar said:

thebraketester said:

If you like Guinness, next time you are near the lyceum walk back up Wellington Street and go to the Coach and Horses. Best in town.

I've never got this. Guinness seems to be the most location specific drink in creation. People say "Oh, you've never tried a Guinness 'til you have tried one in Dublin".

Any Guinness drunk in the UK comes from Diageo's factory in Dublin.
The best Guinness in town is probably sold in the pub that shifts the most of it.
There is no knack to keeping it, it's a keg.

Why? What happens to it in transit? Surely it is the same watery, tasteless and overhyped beer regardless of where it is served?

In Dublin. It's not pasteurised. In London it is, so the idea that it's better in one pub in London is nonsense.

[bad company]

I've always been a pub drinker. I like the company and atmosphere as much as the beer, really don't care that I can drink cheaper at home.

Take it a step further and it's cheaper to brew your own but seriously unless it's a hobby who can be bothered?

[fttm]

Zod said:

InductionRoar said:

thebraketester said:

If you like Guinness, next time you are near the lyceum walk back up Wellington Street and go to the Coach and Horses. Best in town.

I've never got this. Guinness seems to be the most location specific drink in creation. People say "Oh, you've never tried a Guinness 'til you have tried one in Dublin".

Why? What happens to it in transit? Surely it is the same watery, tasteless and overhyped beer regardless of where it is served?

In Dublin. It's not pasteurised. In London it is, so the idea that it's better in one pub in London is nonsense.

Erm yes it is pasteurized in Dublin/Ireland , not quite to the same extent as mainland Britain , it never used to be pasteurized during the 60/70s. Also the high turnover helps Dublin .

[thebraketester]

fttm said:

Zod said:

InductionRoar said:

thebraketester said:

If you like Guinness, next time you are near the lyceum walk back up Wellington Street and go to the Coach and Horses. Best in town.

I've never got this. Guinness seems to be the most location specific drink in creation. People say "Oh, you've never tried a Guinness 'til you have tried one in Dublin".

Why? What happens to it in transit? Surely it is the same watery, tasteless and overhyped beer regardless of where it is served?

In Dublin. It's not pasteurised. In London it is, so the idea that it's better in one pub in London is nonsense.

Erm yes it is pasteurized in Dublin/Ireland , not quite to the same extent as mainland Britain , it never used to be pasteurized during the 60/70s. Also the high turnover helps Dublin .

No. It isnt nonsense, because the landlord goes over to Ireland and buys it from there. ;-)

[iphonedyou]

Zod said:

In Dublin. It's not pasteurised. In London it is, so the idea that it's better in one pub in London is nonsense.

The idea isn't wrong, no.

[Zod]

thebraketester said:

fttm said:

Zod said:

InductionRoar said:

thebraketester said:

If you like Guinness, next time you are near the lyceum walk back up Wellington Street and go to the Coach and Horses. Best in town.

I've never got this. Guinness seems to be the most location specific drink in creation. People say "Oh, you've never tried a Guinness 'til you have tried one in Dublin".

Why? What happens to it in transit? Surely it is the same watery, tasteless and overhyped beer regardless of where it is served?

In Dublin. It's not pasteurised. In London it is, so the idea that it's better in one pub in London is nonsense.

Erm yes it is pasteurized in Dublin/Ireland , not quite to the same extent as mainland Britain , it never used to be pasteurized during the 60/70s. Also the high turnover helps Dublin .

No. It isnt nonsense, because the landlord goes over to Ireland and buys it from there. ;-)

OK, if he does that, then it will be good, but he'll need a high turnover.

[dazco]

Zod said:

thebraketester said:

fttm said:

Zod said:

InductionRoar said:

thebraketester said:

If you like Guinness, next time you are near the lyceum walk back up Wellington Street and go to the Coach and Horses. Best in town.

I've never got this. Guinness seems to be the most location specific drink in creation. People say "Oh, you've never tried a Guinness 'til you have tried one in Dublin".

Why? What happens to it in transit? Surely it is the same watery, tasteless and overhyped beer regardless of where it is served?

In Dublin. It's not pasteurised. In London it is, so the idea that it's better in one pub in London is nonsense.

Erm yes it is pasteurized in Dublin/Ireland , not quite to the same extent as mainland Britain , it never used to be pasteurized during the 60/70s. Also the high turnover helps Dublin .

No. It isnt nonsense, because the landlord goes over to Ireland and buys it from there. ;-)

OK, if he does that, then it will be good, but he'll need a high turnover.

Guinness is no longer brewed in London, all UK Guinness is from Ireland. For over ten years.

[Gompo]

dazco said:

Guinness is no longer brewed in London, all UK Guinness is from Ireland. For over ten years.

Regardless of all that, it's still possible to get a 'bad' Guinness, even in an Irish pub. I wouldn't know as I only drink it if there's no decent cider or real ale.

[PDP76]

Zod said:

Vocal Minority said:

Condi said:

They buy it in bulk and will take the 'older' stock which is still in date but not the latest brew. They know they will sell so much volume they dont have to worry about it going out of date.

As much as I do like the local pub, if you spend 2 or 3 nights a week in there you're looking at £60 a week!

A friend who worked in the industry assures me the best before date bit is a bit of a myth, however the cheap beer comes from the sheer buying power they have.

With regards to the taste, I think the beer isn't as good as it is generally kept without much care by poorly trained and indifferent staff.

I'd be surprised if they are terribly studious about cellar temperature, settle the beer over 24 hours, spiling a barrel and letting it sit before tapping it and all those things the gaffer of your local will do.

Just bang em in and serve away

A very senior person at one of the large brewers assures me that it is very much the case that Wetherspoons buys bear close to the drink by date.

That senior person has no idea how drinks logistics works or how quick the beer turns around. No depot will have a wetherspoons lane to let it get close to date to sell it to them. They will be receiving the same standard and shelf life as the pub round the corner. The turnaround in the warehouses doesn't allow for beer to be sat getting close to its date.
Spoons can sell cheap because they drive a hard bargain, he gets told no a hell of a lot, so when he spits his dummy out the brewery in question has its beers kicked out of his pubs. His profits take a hit and he comes back a few weeks later accepting he can't have the beer and delivery for peanuts.

Late to the party with this reply.

[fttm]

Gompo said:

Regardless of all that, it's still possible to get a 'bad' Guinness, even in an Irish pub. I wouldn't know as I only drink it if there's no decent cider or real ale.

Times change , but when I was last there in 05 Guiness sent their own techs out to clean the lines on a weekly basis rather than relying on the landlords . Never had a bad pint of black and hopefully never will , could drink it all day long

[dazco]

Gompo said:

dazco said:

Guinness is no longer brewed in London, all UK Guinness is from Ireland. For over ten years.

Regardless of all that, it's still possible to get a 'bad' Guinness, even in an Irish pub. I wouldn't know as I only drink it if there's no decent cider or real ale.

Did I say any different?
I was just making a point to some people who seemed to be well versed on the subject but were obviously not

[Gompo]

dazco said:

Did I say any different?
I was just making a point to some people who seemed to be well versed on the subject but were obviously not

No, I was just making a general comment about Guinness in London, probably shouldn't have quoted you.