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funkyrobot
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5,879 posts
97 months
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I've been a long-time fan of trance music (since 1999) and regularly listen to it. I've always wondered what it would be like to produce something of my own and, just lately, have been thinking about it more seriously. So, where do I start? I'm aware of the fact that i'll need something to make the music on (decent laptop computer) and will probably need something like a keyboard to hook up to the laptop. I will then need some decent software to create my masterpieces on the laptop  I did think about starting out with a keyboard and learning to play that first. Then moving on to hooking it up to something that I can create things with (the laptop and software). Is this the right thing to do? With regards to laptops, which is the best to get for this? I have read that there are some good standard laptops that are ok, but are Apple products (i.e. MacBook Pro) better? I know they are more expensive but i've read that they are good (especially when using Logic). I have the budget for a MacBook but don't want to blow all of this money on something that I could do with a laptop that is half the price. I'm also not keen on not rushing into this, so the keyboard will be the first purchase. Is the route of keyboard first, then laptop and software the best way to go? Could anyone recommend a decent mid-range keyboard that is good for beginners but can handle the connection to a PC or Mac? Finally, is anyone on here currently producing dance music and if you are, do you have any advice? If anyone is in the know, I normally listen to Above and Beyond, Armin Van Buuren, Aly and Fila, Markus Schulz, Andy Moor etc. Thanks all.
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NinjaPower
2,314 posts
49 months
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This is my specialist chosen subject  I was a House/Trance DJ for a few years whilt at Uni and then continued after for a few more years to this very day. I then got into the production side and bought myself this.... 
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funkyrobot
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5,879 posts
97 months
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Ninja, oh my god!  That looks amazing! Chequered flooring! Only joking.  Erm, how did you start out then? And will I have heard anything that you produce? I used to do a bit of DJing at Uni too on student radio but didn't really do much after I left. More recently though i've been getting more and more interested again. Edited to add - could you give me a summary of what is in that pic? Do you use Mac's or PC's, and what software do you use? Sorry if I am bombarding with lots of questions here.
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NinjaPower
2,314 posts
49 months
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NinjaPower
2,314 posts
49 months
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Sorry, got out of sync with my replies here! I'll write about the studio stuff in the next post... Give me a min 
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funkyrobot
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5,879 posts
97 months
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NinjaPower said: I do need that, tomorrow! Thanks a lot for the info. I have no further questions for now so I'll scurry off and check out the things you have requested. I may return with more though. 
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funkyrobot
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5,879 posts
97 months
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NinjaPower said: Sorry, got out of sync with my replies here! I'll write about the studio stuff in the next post... Give me a min  Whoops. Sorry. I'll leave it for now so we can re-sync!
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NinjaPower
2,314 posts
49 months
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In the studio is:
KRK Rokit 6 active monitors Alesis Monitor One monitors Large Gemini nightclub monitors 32 channel Mackie desk with meterbridge 24 channel Mackie desk Presonus 32 in 32 out FireWire audio interface Yamaha Synth keyboard Novation USB midi keyboard Various ART tube/valve compressors and pre amps Alesis reverb unit DBX hardware compressors Technics 1210 for sampling vinyl Novation Supernova synth AKAI S2800 Sampler EMU sampler DAT tape players/records 42" Panasonic Plasma monitor Mac running Logic
Plus a load of other hardware.
Next door to the control room is a soundproofed booth for recording vocals with a double glazed window between the two.
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NinjaPower
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It doesn't matter if you choose Mac or PC really... But Logic is hugely popular in studios for a reason, and my personal view is Mac's (even just MacBook's) tend to cope better with heavy duty music projects with little or no fuss at all, and you won't waste time fighting with settings or the operating system. Even if you can't play the keyboard you will still need a USB MIDI keyboard as you will use it for triggering samples, bashing out drum patterns and other such things. But really, as I said, you only need some basic things to get going  I produce with a few guys who have had various tracks published with labels like Positiva/Ministry of sound etc The studio is a great place to hang out for us all! Have a few drinks, work on tracks, it's good fun 
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funkyrobot
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5,879 posts
97 months
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Thanks Ninja.
I'll know i'm getting somewhere if I understand at least half of what the above equipment does!
I'm off to a music shop tomorrow to look at keyboards as a starting point. Thought it would make sense to learn to play one of them before I go any further.
Edited to add - I'll check out the midi ones too.
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NinjaPower
2,314 posts
49 months
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First things first... The important thing to note is that you do not need a keyboard to produce sounds.
A MIDI keyboard just sends input signals to the computer. Nothing else. This is why they only cost £70 or whatever.
The sounds are generated by whatever software instrument your computer/sequencer is running.
Hope I'm not telling you how to suck eggs but it's an important point!
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funkyrobot
Original Poster
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NinjaPower said: First things first... The important thing to note is that you do not need a keyboard to produce sounds.
A MIDI keyboard just sends input signals to the computer. Nothing else. This is why they only cost 70 or whatever.
The sounds are generated by whatever software instrument your computer/sequencer is running.
Hope I'm not telling you how to suck eggs but it's an important point! Thanks. Don't worry, I understand  Learning to play the keyboard is something I wish to do in conjunction with everything else. I have some melodies in my head that I wish to try, and I have some that I want to learn to play. I do have one quick question though. How do people remix other people's tracks? Do they get given a file that has the original track on and then they take bits out and mess around with them etc? Or am I completely wide of the mark and they get given bits of the original song (like the vocal) and they add their own stuff to that? Thanks. 
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NinjaPower
2,314 posts
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When people remix, they approach the original producer and ask for the 'stems'.
The stems are the original separate parts of the track before it was mixed down into a single stereo track. These parts are bassline, vocals, drums, keys, melody, loop/samples, strings etc.
They then throw away the bits they plan on remaking and then utilise the stuff they want to keep original like the vocals.
When someone does a 'bootleg' or mash up, the just simply sample a few seconds out of the original track here and there and then use those samples in their new track. This is much harder as its difficult getting a vocal sample for example without there being drums in the background for example which you won't be able to remove easily if at all.
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Miguel Alvarez
3,281 posts
39 months
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Bit late to replying and coming from a slightly different musical back ground (rap music) so equipment wise I've gone a different route to Ninja Power.
Putting that aside. I produced my first record with a battered old PC a vestax mixer and technic sl1200 turntable and a copy of fruity loops. The vocals were recorded at a friend's studio in Logic (at the time on a PC). With the proceeds I bought an Akai MPC, a hard disk recorder and have over time built my studio up that way.
When it comes to music I always advise people to learn on basic equipment first. Its not sexy, it doesn't look good but it allows you to see how your creative process is. Over the years I've gone for an OTB (out the box) solution. I'm not great with computers and I like the idea of wiring up bits of equipment before a session. I prefer analogue sounds as well where possible.
@ Ninja that is a classy looking studio. Mine is a beat up room with posters and stacks of records.
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funkyrobot
Original Poster
5,879 posts
97 months
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NinjaPower said: When people remix, they approach the original producer and ask for the 'stems'.
The stems are the original separate parts of the track before it was mixed down into a single stereo track. These parts are bassline, vocals, drums, keys, melody, loop/samples, strings etc.
They then throw away the bits they plan on remaking and then utilise the stuff they want to keep original like the vocals.
When someone does a 'bootleg' or mash up, the just simply sample a few seconds out of the original track here and there and then use those samples in their new track. This is much harder as its difficult getting a vocal sample for example without there being drums in the background for example which you won't be able to remove easily if at all. Thankyou very much. That explains a lot. 
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funkyrobot
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97 months
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Thanks Miguel. 
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NinjaPower
2,314 posts
49 months
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I agree with Miguel's statement, start with basics, hence I said just get a keyboard first and a sequencer. You don't need anything else to get going  Again, same as Miguel, I'm very much out the box mixing, hence the desk, but you might find having everything 100% inside the laptop to be much better for you. Cheers by the way Miguel, the studio didn't always look like this, but we House producers always have very neat and tidy studios!  I have no idea why!
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funkyrobot
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5,879 posts
97 months
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Thanks Ninja. Sorry if this sounds like a silly question, but when you say sequencer, do you mean something like Logic? Edited to add - just took a look and I know what you mean now. 
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Miguel Alvarez
3,281 posts
39 months
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NinjaPower said: I agree with Miguel's statement, start with basics, hence I said just get a keyboard first and a sequencer. You don't need anything else to get going  Again, same as Miguel, I'm very much out the box mixing, hence the desk, but you might find having everything 100% inside the laptop to be much better for you. Cheers by the way Miguel, the studio didn't always look like this, but we House producers always have very neat and tidy studios!  I have no idea why! Lol that is very true. Most hip hop studios look like a hurricane has hit them.
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NinjaPower
2,314 posts
49 months
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Yes sorry, sequencer is the generic term for Logic, Ableton, FL studio etc, whatever product you are using to compose your track in.
Years ago, sequencers on the computer (Cubase on the Atari) simply triggered external instruments via MIDI such as samplers and drum machines. All these instruments fed their output into the mixing desk making the finished track.
These days, the instruments and sounds are produced and stored inside the sequencer itself as chunks of audio and MIDI, making external instruments not necessarily needed.
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