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moleamol
15,328 posts
132 months
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Zaxxon said: Oh look at the Morrisseybturd coming out of the woodwork. Did you miss the smiley in my earlier post, hinting at a joke? Or were you too depressed after listening to Mozza's s  t attempts at song writing? He's a , as are his fans. HTH Oh, forgot this....  Now look at you confirming things. Weller clearly isn't as cool as he you thought.
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Whitester
1,364 posts
25 months
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Zaxxon said: Oh look at the Morrisseybturd coming out of the woodwork. Did you miss the smiley in my earlier post, hinting at a joke? Or were you too depressed after listening to Mozza's s t attempts at song writing? He's a , as are his fans. HTH Oh, forgot this.... I agree. Some good Smiths tunes but that's mainly down to Marr's guitar work... Morrissey's crooning has to go in and ruin it though.
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el stovey
13,454 posts
132 months
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Oh look a Smiths vs The Jam fight! Coming up next Duran Duran Vs Wham. 
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Ali2202
2,741 posts
73 months
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Met Weller a few times through Business. Comes across as a distinctly vain and unpleasant .
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Markh
2,566 posts
144 months
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Ali2202 said: Met Weller a few times through Business. Comes across as a distinctly vain and unpleasant . Must confess to having the same opinion , he was at dinner party I went to was very jude to his girlfriend
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robsco
5,307 posts
45 months
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Zaxxon said: Oh look at the Morrisseybturd coming out of the woodwork. Did you miss the smiley in my earlier post, hinting at a joke? Or were you too depressed after listening to Mozza's s t attempts at song writing? He's a , as are his fans. HTH Oh, forgot this.... I'd start a debate here about how superior a songwriter Morrissey is to Paul Weller, in every department, but I fear I'd be stating the obvious. So I'll just keep smiling, and revel in Morrissey's works. PS - I'm also a Paul Weller fan.
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Whitester
1,364 posts
25 months
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robsco said: Zaxxon said: Oh look at the Morrisseybturd coming out of the woodwork. Did you miss the smiley in my earlier post, hinting at a joke? Or were you too depressed after listening to Mozza's s t attempts at song writing? He's a , as are his fans. HTH Oh, forgot this.... I'd start a debate here about how superior a songwriter Morrissey is to Paul Weller, in every department, but I fear I'd be stating the obvious. So I'll just keep smiling, and revel in Morrissey's works. PS - I'm also a Paul Weller fan. No, please do so. I'm intrigued.
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robsco
5,307 posts
45 months
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Whitester said: No, please do so. I'm intrigued. Morrissey was a very insular young boy, if you weren't already aware, who got his pleasure from life by immersing himself in literature. Sir John Betjeman and Oscar Wilde were two of his biggest influences. He was also obsessed with pop music. Nobody before or since, has combined the two better than Morrissey. His use of imagery, drawing on the influence of his heroes, and his ability to describe feelings with both sincerity and barbed wit, is unrivalled anywhere in the world of pop. That he still remains revered to this day (beyond the likes of Weller I'd say), is testament to the man's longevity and talent. Strictly speaking, Morrissey shouldn't have been a success. Normally, the Brits are too shallow or too mindless to accept a way of thinking as unique as Morrissey's. Weller is the archetypal rock star, Morrissey is the outsider. Weller is a better musician (he can write melodies and play instruments for a start), but his lyrical prowess can't hold a candle to Morrissey's.
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Whitester
1,364 posts
25 months
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robsco said: Whitester said: No, please do so. I'm intrigued. Morrissey was a very insular young boy, if you weren't already aware, who got his pleasure from life by immersing himself in literature. Sir John Betjeman and Oscar Wilde were two of his biggest influences. He was also obsessed with pop music. Nobody before or since, has combined the two better than Morrissey. His use of imagery, drawing on the influence of his heroes, and his ability to describe feelings with both sincerity and barbed wit, is unrivalled anywhere in the world of pop. That he still remains revered to this day (beyond the likes of Weller I'd say), is testament to the man's longevity and talent. Strictly speaking, Morrissey shouldn't have been a success. Normally, the Brits are too shallow or too mindless to accept a way of thinking as unique as Morrissey's. Weller is the archetypal rock star, Morrissey is the outsider. Weller is a better musician (he can write melodies and play instruments for a start), but his lyrical prowess can't hold a candle to Morrissey's. I'm not very well acquainted with Morrissey's lyrics. I like a few Smiths songs but I've never really noticed the lyrics, rather I'm listening to the instruments. I do have a few Smiths albums somewhere so I'll have a look. One thing I have noticed is that Weller is also a good lyricist. He writes about real things, here's an extract from "Just Who Is The 5 O'Clock Hero?": Weller said: Hello darlin', I'm home again Covered in s t and aches and pains Too knackered to think so give me time to come round Just gimme the living room beat to the TV sound My hard earned dough goes in bills and the larder And that Prince Philip tells us we gotta work harder! It seems a constant struggle just to exist Scrimping and saving and crossing off lists Which strikes me as eloquent but also very real. If you could link us to some good Morrissey lyrics that would be interesting.
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robsco
5,307 posts
45 months
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Impressive lyrics posted there. I'll post some Morrissey stuff up when I'm not at the pub, inebriated. :cheers:
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robsco
5,307 posts
45 months
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Here's a little snippet from This Charming Man (a cliche to choose this song I know, but there's just so many...) Morrissey said: Punctured bicycle
On a hillside desolate
Will nature make a man of me yet?
When in this charming car
This charming man
Why pamper life's complexity
When the leather runs smooth
On the passenger's seat?
I would go out tonight
But I haven't got a stitch to wear
This man said "it's gruesome
That someone so handsome should care" And a couple of my favourite verses from Rusholme Ruffians, a song about going to a fair and being stabbed. Morrissey said: The last night of the fair
By the big wheel generator
A boy is stabbed
And his money is grabbed
And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine
She is famous
She is funny
An engagement ring
Doesn't mean a thing
To a mind consumed by brass (money)
And though I walk home alone
I might walk home alone...
...But my faith in love is still devout
The last night of the fair
From a seat on a whirling waltzer
Her skirt ascends for a watching eye
It's a hideous trait (on her mother's side)
From a seat on a whirling waltzer
Her skirt ascends for a watching eye
It's a hideous trait (on her mother's side)
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audidoody
5,163 posts
125 months
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Hang the Dj
Hang the DJ
Hang the DJ
You're the One for me, fatty
You're the One I really, really love
And I will stay
Promise you'll say
If I'm in your way
Nope. Still not getting it,
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robsco
5,307 posts
45 months
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A couple of average verses in nigh on 30 years of music. You're not getting it because you're not trying, just being obtuse.
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Whitester
1,364 posts
25 months
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robsco said: Here's a little snippet from This Charming Man (a cliche to choose this song I know, but there's just so many...) Morrissey said: Punctured bicycle
On a hillside desolate
Will nature make a man of me yet?
When in this charming car
This charming man
Why pamper life's complexity
When the leather runs smooth
On the passenger's seat?
I would go out tonight
But I haven't got a stitch to wear
This man said "it's gruesome
That someone so handsome should care" And a couple of my favourite verses from Rusholme Ruffians, a song about going to a fair and being stabbed. Morrissey said: The last night of the fair
By the big wheel generator
A boy is stabbed
And his money is grabbed
And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine
She is famous
She is funny
An engagement ring
Doesn't mean a thing
To a mind consumed by brass (money)
And though I walk home alone
I might walk home alone...
...But my faith in love is still devout
The last night of the fair
From a seat on a whirling waltzer
Her skirt ascends for a watching eye
It's a hideous trait (on her mother's side)
From a seat on a whirling waltzer
Her skirt ascends for a watching eye
It's a hideous trait (on her mother's side) I'm still not getting it... what's so special about them?
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stephen300o
12,637 posts
97 months
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He can be stroppy but Morrisey is not responsible for Paul Weller's hair.
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AdeTuono
3,752 posts
96 months
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Whitester said: robsco said: Here's a little snippet from This Charming Man (a cliche to choose this song I know, but there's just so many...) Morrissey said: Punctured bicycle
On a hillside desolate
Will nature make a man of me yet?
When in this charming car
This charming man
Why pamper life's complexity
When the leather runs smooth
On the passenger's seat?
I would go out tonight
But I haven't got a stitch to wear
This man said "it's gruesome
That someone so handsome should care" And a couple of my favourite verses from Rusholme Ruffians, a song about going to a fair and being stabbed. Morrissey said: The last night of the fair
By the big wheel generator
A boy is stabbed
And his money is grabbed
And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine
She is famous
She is funny
An engagement ring
Doesn't mean a thing
To a mind consumed by brass (money)
And though I walk home alone
I might walk home alone...
...But my faith in love is still devout
The last night of the fair
From a seat on a whirling waltzer
Her skirt ascends for a watching eye
It's a hideous trait (on her mother's side)
From a seat on a whirling waltzer
Her skirt ascends for a watching eye
It's a hideous trait (on her mother's side) I'm still not getting it... what's so special about them? That looks like sub-standard sixth-form rubbish. Surely, if he's such a fine lyricist, you'd be able to find something better than that tosh? Hang The DJ indeed.
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JuniorD
3,066 posts
92 months
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You suddently don't fall outside the definition of "t t" just because some people think you write good song lyrics.
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Soovy
31,948 posts
140 months
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Liam Gallagher said: Not even Paul Weller suits Paul Weller's f king hair
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bob1179
13,451 posts
78 months
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el stovey said: Oh look a Smiths vs The Jam fight! Coming up next Duran Duran Vs Wham. Woah, steady on. Le Bon is a living God. Anyway, Paul Wellers hair is a bit crap, but he is 'rock star' and I thought it was normal for them to do things that way? Anyway, I myself like both The Smiths and The Jam/Paul Weller (never really a fan of The Style Council - a bit too much homo eroticism going on there). The later Morrissey stuff was really not as good as his Smiths stuff though.
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Crafty_
4,511 posts
69 months
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I always liked the line "two lovers, missing the tranquillity of solitude" but back to the matter in hand, I shouldn't get too concerned about Wellers' hair or if he's a t t or not, because frankly I doubt anyone (least of all he) gives a toss
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