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Baryonyx

18,002 posts

160 months

Tuesday 5th November 2013
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What program do you need for viewing those tabs? It downloads as a 'btab' but opens a 'find program' window when I try to run the file. This may well be part of the trove of tabs that were floating around years ago. I think a guy called Sean had tabbed most of the songs, but don't quote me on that. Whoever these tabbers are, they have a lot of patience! I remember when Stuart Hamm's website had just been taken over by Jeff Trout, after the old owner (Peter Tatischev, IIRC) had disappeared. A guy called Graham Shackleton (Akreepish1 was his screen name) had tabbed loads of Stu's stuff. It was a serious effort as Stu is an absolute wizard on the bass, so to have the dedication to do all that transcribing and then type it into type is to be admired! This was back when Stu's site was run by fans rather than his management (I think this was a time before he had 'representation'). Sadly, those tabs are all gone now, as is much of the content on that site. There was also a really good forum with loads of info on it, all gone now I presume.

Ah, the mists of time! The disappearance of tabs was really great for my ears though, because it forced me to start on songs with my ears rather than looking for a tab and going from there. So every cloud has a silver lining, it's probably been quite beneficial in that respect.

Back on the subject of Rush, which records are your favourite? Power Windows and Hold Your Fire are the ones for me. I always fancied a Geddy Lee Wal bass, or just a Wal bass in general! Never did get round to buying one though. I remember when you couldn't give them away, they were seen as one of the naffest things going in the world of bass. Then a sudden trend for them developed and some models more than trebled in value over the space of a couple of years!










Chimune

3,183 posts

224 months

Tuesday 5th November 2013
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Baryonyx said:
whats going on there? It looks like a left hander with the knob positions and cutaway, but is strung rh. am confused !

Gaspode

4,167 posts

197 months

Tuesday 5th November 2013
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6th Gear said:
Oh I say. That is utterly lovely, isn't it?

Fantuzzi

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3,297 posts

147 months

Tuesday 5th November 2013
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King Crimson - Discipline CD.

Cant find it in stores anywhere.

Chimune

3,183 posts

224 months

Tuesday 5th November 2013
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Gaspode said:
Oh I say. That is utterly lovely, isn't it?
yes please !

Dr Z

3,396 posts

172 months

Tuesday 5th November 2013
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Gaspode said:
6th Gear said:
Oh I say. That is utterly lovely, isn't it?
Indeed! That neck joint is a thing of beauty!

Specs look interesting. Alder body rosewood top and an all rosewood neck! Wowee...would love to have a play on that! Imagine it will sound pretty dark for a tele especially given that it also has a 24 3/4" scale length. Pretty cool tele.

Baryonyx

18,002 posts

160 months

Tuesday 5th November 2013
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Chimune said:
whats going on there? It looks like a left hander with the knob positions and cutaway, but is strung rh. am confused !
Some lefty players prefer to play this way, having learned by flipping right handed instruments upside down. Then when they graduated to a proper 'lefty' instrument, they kept the reverse string spacing they were familiar with. Jimmy Haslip is a player who has done this, for instance. I hadn't noticed the stringing on that bass, so well spotted! I was just positing it because it looks really cool, I love the concept and it's one of the more 'far out' designs that Wal have done!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M2R5dC7qW4

And he really tears it up on 'Havona' here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1olqYaDvAwU

As an aside, I remember buying that Word Of Mouth Revisited CD when it came out. This track was particularly impressive because most bassists struggle to nail it with the bass strung the right way! It has some rock hard moves in it.


Chimune

3,183 posts

224 months

Tuesday 5th November 2013
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every day is a school day ! v interesting.
never heard of jaco pastorius before either. will be finding more of that !

Seeker UK

1,442 posts

159 months

Tuesday 5th November 2013
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Fantuzzi said:
King Crimson - Discipline CD.

Cant find it in stores anywhere.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Discipline-King-Crimson/dp/B00064WSNW

IainT

10,040 posts

239 months

Wednesday 6th November 2013
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Baryonyx said:
What program do you need for viewing those tabs? It downloads as a 'btab' but opens a 'find program' window when I try to run the file.
They're just simple text files so any text editor will work. I use Notepad++ but standard Notepad that comes with windows will work well enough. I've associated .btab files with N++ so I just double-click them to open them.

Chimune

3,183 posts

224 months

Wednesday 6th November 2013
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Baryonyx said:
And he really tears it up on 'Havona' here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1olqYaDvAwU

As an aside, I remember buying that Word Of Mouth Revisited CD when it came out. This track was particularly impressive because most bassists struggle to nail it with the bass strung the right way! It has some rock hard moves in it.
Just looking at that album Baryonyx and im confused ( again !). Is that a tribute album to Paco after he died ?

Baryonyx

18,002 posts

160 months

Wednesday 6th November 2013
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Chimune said:
Just looking at that album Baryonyx and im confused ( again !). Is that a tribute album to Paco after he died ?
Yes. That record is compromised of the big band that Jaco put together in the early 80's for the Word of Mouth project and his second solo that never materialised. They are playing some of Jaco and Weather Report's classic tunes with an all-star bassist cast (including Marcus Miller, Victor Wooten, Victor Bailey, Gerald Veasley, Richard Bona, Jimmy Haslip and more).


Jaco died in 1987, after experiencing a meteoric rise to the top of the fusion world with Weather Report, he sunk into depression and mania, suffering from a very severe bi-polar disorder, descending into alcohol and drug abuse. He eventually became so unstable that he ended up homeless in New York in the 80's, and moved back to Florida, where in 1987 he became involved in an altercation with a nightclub bouncer called Luc Havan. Havan practised Karate, IIRC, and Jaco ended up with a fractured skull, bleeding on the brain, facial fractures and a ruptured eye. Havan ended up serving two months in jail for the beating. He had claimed that he had pushed Jaco, who had fallen and hit his head, but the injuries suggested a proper beating. A sad end to one of the greats, Jaco was immensely talented but had been off the rails for years, and despite a few promising returns when friends took custody of him and sobered him up for one off projects like the the Modern Electric Bass tape:

You can see he still had it, this was after a couple of years of alcohol fuelled misery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL8BoDb8HbA

You can see he never forgot his chops when you watch this rendition of 'The Chicken' from the same session. Something telling of Jaco's mania here was something cut from this youtube video, but that appears on the VHS tape. After finishing the song, Jaco takes his bass off and playful throws it at Kenwood Dennard's head, who just manages to catch it over the top of his drum kit. Kenwood looks like he wants to punch Jaco's lights out, sort of an insight into the way he could act:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwhkPSEXs1Q



Personally, I think Jaco was a far superior sideman as opposed to a solo artist. His best work was with Weather Report and Joni Mitchell.

This is a strong starting point for anyone who wants to do what Jaco did:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSUk8bSVHYc

My favourite Weather Report tune, Volcao For Hire, is an astounding performance. I recall that Joe Zawinul, the Weather Report bandleader, commented on it that no-one could burn on 16th notes like Jaco. This was also after one of his breakdowns, but he managed to get it together to help Weather Report produce their best album. Absolutely smashing fusion. This song is all arranged, but Jaco is right on top of the bass beneath some of Zawinul's most powerful soloing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiMcYpiwETI

This was a jam with the tapes running from the same record. This is improvised, and shows Jaco's talent for listening and interacting in the improvisational setting. Truly an astounding player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW0YwUgtJc0


Edited by Baryonyx on Wednesday 6th November 15:02

vsonix

3,858 posts

164 months

Wednesday 6th November 2013
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Turn7 said:
Justin Cyder said:
Davidos said:
Where's the rest of it?
wtf?
Nice idea but you'd think they could have stretched to a whole octave's worth of frets. Even seven would be better - otherwise it would appear to be aimed more at strummers rather than riffers. Although if it was priced at around £100 I'd probably buy it anyway, simply because I've been hankering after something that can make use of my guitar skills in a MIDI context for years.

Fantuzzi

Original Poster:

3,297 posts

147 months

Wednesday 6th November 2013
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Seeker UK said:
Fantuzzi said:
King Crimson - Discipline CD.

Cant find it in stores anywhere.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Discipline-King-Crimson/dp/B00064WSNW
I don't really buy much online, bit of a luddite,in stores like HMV they tend to do the whole 3 for 15quid things. Which is better.

vsonix

3,858 posts

164 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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Baryonyx said:
I always fancied a Geddy Lee Wal bass, or just a Wal bass in general! Never did get round to buying one though. I remember when you couldn't give them away, they were seen as one of the naffest things going in the world of bass. Then a sudden trend for them developed and some models more than trebled in value over the space of a couple of years![/img]
I think it's because Pete Waller or whateverhisnamewas died.

I found an old WAL in rather poor condition in a music shop in London round '95, paid £200 for it... I sold it about 5 years later for well over a grand.

aidb

74 posts

200 months

Thursday 7th November 2013
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Baryonyx said:
Yes. That record is compromised of the big band that Jaco put together in the early 80's for the Word of Mouth project and his second solo that never materialised. They are playing some of Jaco and Weather Report's classic tunes with an all-star bassist cast (including Marcus Miller, Victor Wooten, Victor Bailey, Gerald Veasley, Richard Bona, Jimmy Haslip and more).


Jaco died in 1987, after experiencing a meteoric rise to the top of the fusion world with Weather Report, he sunk into depression and mania, suffering from a very severe bi-polar disorder, descending into alcohol and drug abuse. He eventually became so unstable that he ended up homeless in New York in the 80's, and moved back to Florida, where in 1987 he became involved in an altercation with a nightclub bouncer called Luc Havan. Havan practised Karate, IIRC, and Jaco ended up with a fractured skull, bleeding on the brain, facial fractures and a ruptured eye. Havan ended up serving two months in jail for the beating. He had claimed that he had pushed Jaco, who had fallen and hit his head, but the injuries suggested a proper beating. A sad end to one of the greats, Jaco was immensely talented but had been off the rails for years, and despite a few promising returns when friends took custody of him and sobered him up for one off projects like the the Modern Electric Bass tape:

You can see he still had it, this was after a couple of years of alcohol fuelled misery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL8BoDb8HbA

You can see he never forgot his chops when you watch this rendition of 'The Chicken' from the same session. Something telling of Jaco's mania here was something cut from this youtube video, but that appears on the VHS tape. After finishing the song, Jaco takes his bass off and playful throws it at Kenwood Dennard's head, who just manages to catch it over the top of his drum kit. Kenwood looks like he wants to punch Jaco's lights out, sort of an insight into the way he could act:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwhkPSEXs1Q



Personally, I think Jaco was a far superior sideman as opposed to a solo artist. His best work was with Weather Report and Joni Mitchell.

This is a strong starting point for anyone who wants to do what Jaco did:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSUk8bSVHYc

My favourite Weather Report tune, Volcao For Hire, is an astounding performance. I recall that Joe Zawinul, the Weather Report bandleader, commented on it that no-one could burn on 16th notes like Jaco. This was also after one of his breakdowns, but he managed to get it together to help Weather Report produce their best album. Absolutely smashing fusion. This song is all arranged, but Jaco is right on top of the bass beneath some of Zawinul's most powerful soloing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiMcYpiwETI

This was a jam with the tapes running from the same record. This is improvised, and shows Jaco's talent for listening and interacting in the improvisational setting. Truly an astounding player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW0YwUgtJc0


Edited by Baryonyx on Wednesday 6th November 15:02
Thank you for that mini biog. I've loved Jaco since his Weather Report days.

Baryonyx

18,002 posts

160 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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I've got massive want for an Ibanez Pat Metheny today. The ultimate in jazz guitar tone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amEp34owKn0

They are stunning across their various iterations:







I like their slim profile compared to some box guitars.


Chimune

3,183 posts

224 months

Thursday 26th December 2013
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Chimune said:
Baryonyx said:
And he really tears it up on 'Havona' here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1olqYaDvAwU

As an aside, I remember buying that Word Of Mouth Revisited CD when it came out. This track was particularly impressive because most bassists struggle to nail it with the bass strung the right way! It has some rock hard moves in it.
Just looking at that album Baryonyx and im confused ( again !). Is that a tribute album to Paco after he died ?
requested album for xmas. santa delivered and its been on loop all day ! tis rather good ....

Justin Cyder

12,624 posts

150 months

Thursday 26th December 2013
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Mine's up the spout & I'm missing it.


Seeker UK

1,442 posts

159 months

Friday 27th December 2013
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aidb said:
Thank you for that mini biog. I've loved Jaco since his Weather Report days.
You might enjoy this tribute then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfNhhgIFIXk