Gear WANT thread

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6th Gear

3,563 posts

194 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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^^^ Stunning.

The first one reminds me of Knopfler's guitar.

Baryonyx

17,996 posts

159 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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Correct, it's a Mark Knopfler model. But I'd sooner be busting out 'A Touch Of Brazil' on it. Lottery win stuff...

Mastodon2

13,826 posts

165 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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Suhr have really upped their game in the last few years. A shame the bloke behind it is a bit of a stick in the mud, he gets some nice wood through his shop.

This is what's really getting me hot these days:








Sir Snaz

571 posts

186 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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those fanned frets scare me smile

Fantuzzi

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3,297 posts

146 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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The suhrs are rather tasty, the modern frost colours look surprisingly good for matt, plus 'snowblind' is such a good name for white...

http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/electric_guitars_det...

Really would be tempted to splash out if it had a black head stock.

Really been fancying a JEM recently, in pink. 777VSK to be precise.


Gaspode

4,167 posts

196 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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Sir Snaz said:
those fanned frets scare me smile
Indeed. These kinds of innovations seem to me to be a bit of a solution in search of a problem. I've never really noticed (assuming a guitar's been set up properly) that intonation drift is much of an issue, certainly not at my crappy level of playing I'm so slow that if a note doesn't sound high to me I just bend it until it is. I can see that wouldn't be possible if I was shredding out a bazzillion notes a second, but then I ask myself would anyone really notice in the grand scheme of things.

Wicked-looking Axe, mind...

Baryonyx

17,996 posts

159 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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Gaspode said:
Indeed. These kinds of innovations seem to me to be a bit of a solution in search of a problem. I've never really noticed (assuming a guitar's been set up properly) that intonation drift is much of an issue
They most definitely aren't a solution in search of a problem. Though fanned fret-espousing luthiers have definitely had to fight their corner, I think they've won their case now. They are especially useful in extended range instruments.

I'll use a six string bass as an example because the forces at play on that instrument are more readily appreciable than on a guitar. So take your low B string, which for years was a bugbear for bassists. You'd have a 34" scale B string and a 34" scale C string. For many luthiers and builders, it was something of a struggle to get the balance right between the strings(1). Fodera went for a 36" scale on their flagship 6 strings, and unless you've got the stamina and dexterity of Anthony Jackso, that can be both a stretch and quite fatiguing for some players! With fanned frets, you get a longer, tighter bottom string and a shorter top string. The bottom remains tight and distinct due to an extended speaking length and the high string doesn't become shrill.

There is also a conformity of feel from the strings when each is extended to it's optimum scale length. You don't have to adjust your attack to get some bite from a floppy B string and you don't have to back off a stroke on the C string for fear of it ringing out, sharp and shrill. The fanned frets produce a very even sounding instrument, so you can EQ quite safely knowing that you won't have to make considerable compensation anywhere (ie: no boosting the treble to get the harmonics of the B string to cut through and consequently making your C string over bright).


In guitars, Rusty Cooley was an early user of a Conklin 8 string, where the fanned frets made a big difference. They are very easy to get used to quickly. I would say in no more than five minutes, you could go from picking a fanned fretter up for the first time, to playing it with your eyes closed (if you can play a normal guitar with your eyes closed).


(1) Many a luthier did find a way of balancing their instrument's tone without fanned frets, including innovative solutions like carbon fibre necks and good old fashioned superior construction. Some players can be quite anal about minute intonation issues (think Satch and his thoughts on first fret sharpness, or Frank Gambale and the Fretwave system on his Yamaha signature model).

Actually, today I want one of those!




Edited by Baryonyx on Friday 21st February 15:39

Fantuzzi

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3,297 posts

146 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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Just made the mistake of looking at the Jackson custom shop spec options...

Lots of want there, serious want. A mahogany bodied soloist with a natural neck would be y basic pick, but then when you start adding stuff up you realise how pricey this stuff can be...

Mastodon2

13,826 posts

165 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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Gaspode said:
Sir Snaz said:
those fanned frets scare me smile
Indeed. These kinds of innovations seem to me to be a bit of a solution in search of a problem. I've never really noticed (assuming a guitar's been set up properly) that intonation drift is much of an issue, certainly not at my crappy level of playing I'm so slow that if a note doesn't sound high to me I just bend it until it is. I can see that wouldn't be possible if I was shredding out a bazzillion notes a second, but then I ask myself would anyone really notice in the grand scheme of things.

Wicked-looking Axe, mind...
Not a solution in search of a problem at all, Baryonyx is bang on the money, they're not about intonation, they are about optimising playability and tonal balance between strings. The more strings you've got, the more beneficial having a multi-scale setup is, and the more aggressive the fan angle becomes, but they're not difficult to play, in fact many users find them easier due to the natural tendency of the fingers to spread wider when playing the lower strings and bunch when playing the higher strings. Even if you just play a six string, having a 27.5 low E and a 25.5" high E can give a really balanced and pure sound to the instrument, as well as helping scales fall to hand, but as stated the benefits really come into their own with 7+ strings, where the lower strings can have a long scale, the additional tension giving them more attack, less flub on pick contact etc, and the higher strings remain softer and have less attack and less harsh, high frequency output.

Intonation is fixed through true temperament fretting, which slots each fret at the ideal position on the fretboard for each string, which gives an unusual appearance but again is not difficult to play for anyone above beginner-level familiarity with a regular guitar. To a degree, TT frets are not necessary - if you have a TT guitar with poorly-set intonation at the saddles you'll sound just as bad as a regular guitar with poorly-set intonation, but many people like them because they stop the mis-match of intonations being so jarring, particularly when playing multiple strings above the 12th fret. Some guitarists I know don't really care about intonation, playing in tune or even having a guitar that is really in tune, but that is like nails on a chalkboard to me when I hear playing like that. I remember watching that Jools Holland program a while ago and someone had a guitar that was just hopelessly out of tune on one string, it stuck out like a sore thumb!

Baryonyx

17,996 posts

159 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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Just can't get over how beautiful these Godin Artisans are...




BorkFactor

7,265 posts

158 months

Friday 4th April 2014
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Oh dear, I should not have looked in here! hehe

I really like my USA Telecaster, but I really fancy one of these:



Probably just as well a blackguard butterscotch one hasn't popped up in the UK!

B17NNS

18,506 posts

247 months

Friday 4th April 2014
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BorkFactor said:
cloud9

Fantuzzi

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3,297 posts

146 months

Friday 4th April 2014
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I've been thinking about a project guitar...

http://www.kramerguitars.com/Products/Baretta-Spec...



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SSH+ Suhr



+ Purple paint - like this SoCal



Ultimate DIY 80's cliché!

Mastodon2

13,826 posts

165 months

Saturday 5th April 2014
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If I could get one of these in a 7 string, same specs, just one more string, I'd be in heaven. This early 90s art style top is incredible, everything about it just wonderful, it just needs one more string to be perfect for me.

jbudgie

8,920 posts

212 months

Saturday 5th April 2014
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BorkFactor said:
Oh dear, I should not have looked in here! hehe

I really like my USA Telecaster, but I really fancy one of these:



Probably just as well a blackguard butterscotch one hasn't popped up in the UK!
Butterscotch teles really are the Dogs B's.

What make is the that one in the pic ?

Justin Cyder

12,624 posts

149 months

Saturday 5th April 2014
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LSL.

I like Nacho guitars more, myself. They're eyewateringly pricey though & very, very hard to get hold of.


jbudgie

8,920 posts

212 months

Saturday 5th April 2014
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Justin Cyder said:
LSL.

I like Nacho guitars more, myself. They're eyewateringly pricey though & very, very hard to get hold of.

Excellent pic there---dont like eyewateringly pricey though.

Have heard of some of the others (Kearn ?) but didn't recognise that ( LSL)

Justin Cyder

12,624 posts

149 months

Saturday 5th April 2014
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Ron Kirn?

I've got one of those. wink

jbudgie

8,920 posts

212 months

Saturday 5th April 2014
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Justin Cyder said:
Ron Kirn?

I've got one of those. wink
Yes, that's the name --supposed to be the Dogs ?



jbudgie

8,920 posts

212 months

Saturday 5th April 2014
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This my want though.




National Duolian.