New Pink Floyd album due October?
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Got my CD in the post on Sunday morning from Amazon!
Listened to the album a good 6 or 7 times, and just cannot make my mind up.
Starts Ok in sort of easy/laid-back listening way, then gets to track 4 (or Side 2, Tk 1) Sum, as soon as it started it got my attention, something like One Of These Days or Welcome To The Machine then in to a couple more tracks I like, then its back to laid-back listening again.
Not sure that we need another Stephen Hawking vocal track, could have just fitted in with the rest of the album without the vocals.
Liked some of the short 1-2mins tracks (actually only 4 tracks of the 18 are over 4mins long).
Favourite track was the one mentioned above- Sum. The rest were good, but no standout track for me, which I suppose seeing as this was stuff presumably deemed not good enough to go onto The Division Bell, or make it into a double album.
Don't think it will get chosen that often when much better PF albums to listen to. May get chosen as background music when going to sleep.
Listened to the album a good 6 or 7 times, and just cannot make my mind up.
Starts Ok in sort of easy/laid-back listening way, then gets to track 4 (or Side 2, Tk 1) Sum, as soon as it started it got my attention, something like One Of These Days or Welcome To The Machine then in to a couple more tracks I like, then its back to laid-back listening again.
Not sure that we need another Stephen Hawking vocal track, could have just fitted in with the rest of the album without the vocals.
Liked some of the short 1-2mins tracks (actually only 4 tracks of the 18 are over 4mins long).
Favourite track was the one mentioned above- Sum. The rest were good, but no standout track for me, which I suppose seeing as this was stuff presumably deemed not good enough to go onto The Division Bell, or make it into a double album.
Don't think it will get chosen that often when much better PF albums to listen to. May get chosen as background music when going to sleep.
Edited by Russ35 on Thursday 13th November 20:44
2volvos said:
RichB said:
2volvos said:
I don't miss the vocals, especially when they are not Roger's lyrics, but are the lyrics, written by Mrs Gilmore, on the last, only, song a bit of a dig at Roger - that the music that they made after he left was better than his words...could be seeing as he dissed her efforts on The Division Bell?
Can you rewrite that with fewer commas please? I think I understand what you're saying but I'm not certain. 
I dont miss the vocals especially when they are not Rogers lyrics but are the lyrics written by Mrs Gilmore on the last only song a bit of a dig at Roger that the music that they made after he left was better than his words could be seeing as he dissed her efforts on The Division Bell
Seriously though, I do do hope that it isn't a dig as that would be an unfitting end to a band that had more of it's fair share of bitterness. Because of the similarity to their earlier work - there are so many references to Wish You Were Here, Meddle, The Wall, Dark Side etc - it sounds like some old friends revisiting their glory days. For most bands of that generation that would often come off as naff and self indulgent, but PF have the class and panache to pull it off.
As a mad keen Floyd fan i have listened to the new album a couple of times now.
The first sitting was the best.... But I have to say that I am very disappointed.
Only a couple of tracks with vocals.. And Mr Hawking has 50% of them.... If DG couldn't think of any vocals it would have been a good idea to get RW back to pen some...
Having an instrumental album is one thing but I get the distinct impression that this whole album is made up from to out cuts from the mixing room floor of the left over from the last few albums.
A really poor show IMHO.... It is not as off they need the money... I really did hope this would be a fantastic possible final masterpiece proving that they still have what it takes.. Sadly it isn't...
The first sitting was the best.... But I have to say that I am very disappointed.
Only a couple of tracks with vocals.. And Mr Hawking has 50% of them.... If DG couldn't think of any vocals it would have been a good idea to get RW back to pen some...
Having an instrumental album is one thing but I get the distinct impression that this whole album is made up from to out cuts from the mixing room floor of the left over from the last few albums.
A really poor show IMHO.... It is not as off they need the money... I really did hope this would be a fantastic possible final masterpiece proving that they still have what it takes.. Sadly it isn't...
Listened to it once so far. Haven't bothered again yet. Quite disappointed really. I suppose I was expecting a collection of tracks all as good as 'Louder Than Words' connected by atmospheric segues ... another 'Divison Bell'. What has actually happened is I went to a restaurant 20 years ago and ordered a dish called 'The Division Bell', which was amazing. I just went back and ordered a dish called 'The Endless River', which turned out to be bits they scraped from around the sides of the pan after cooking The Division Bell, heated up in the microwave. Okay, maybe it's not quite that disappointing, but you get where I'm coming from.
I've listened a few times now and it's a 'grower'.
I don't understand why expectations were so high, everybody knew it was stuff that at the time wasn't considered good enough for the Division Bell, but has now been considered good enough to put on an album. What was the alternative? Leave some decent material in the can, or bung it on a new album with some modern production values for the fans to enjoy? I'd rather have it in my collection than it never having been released.
The cynic in me says if the fans were the priority then maybe it should have been a freebie a la U2, but if you were them would you have done that?
I don't understand why expectations were so high, everybody knew it was stuff that at the time wasn't considered good enough for the Division Bell, but has now been considered good enough to put on an album. What was the alternative? Leave some decent material in the can, or bung it on a new album with some modern production values for the fans to enjoy? I'd rather have it in my collection than it never having been released.
The cynic in me says if the fans were the priority then maybe it should have been a freebie a la U2, but if you were them would you have done that?
Giving away music devalues it, folk assume it's simply not worth paying for.
Even with my own stuff, if I've given it away for nothing, no-one is interested. Sell it for a modest sum and it does reasonably well.
U2 shot themselves in the foot.
I'm still half enjoying the PF record, it was what I expected and that's all good.
Even with my own stuff, if I've given it away for nothing, no-one is interested. Sell it for a modest sum and it does reasonably well.
U2 shot themselves in the foot.
I'm still half enjoying the PF record, it was what I expected and that's all good.
Le Pop said:
I don't understand why expectations were so high, everybody knew it was stuff that at the time wasn't considered good enough for the Division Bell, but has now been considered good enough to put on an album.
Personally I think they could have been a bit more creative with what they had. Instead of a series of seemingly unrelated pieces of music they could have made something more conceptual and flowing. I'd love to be able to get my hands on digital 'stems' of all the individual tracks so I could cobble together my own interpretation of the album.qube_TA said:
Giving away music devalues it, folk assume it's simply not worth paying for.
Even with my own stuff, if I've given it away for nothing, no-one is interested. Sell it for a modest sum and it does reasonably well.
That's interesting to know. I had started to wonder if I should just give away my own stuff on the premise that people would be m,ore inclined to take a risk on it if it were free, hence I could build a fanbase quicker and start making money from gigs. However, I've always had a niggling feeling that I shouldn't do that - that I should put a price on it. It's reassuring to know that doing so does work in generating an air of quality which actually increases interest.Even with my own stuff, if I've given it away for nothing, no-one is interested. Sell it for a modest sum and it does reasonably well.
MitchT said:
That's interesting to know. I had started to wonder if I should just give away my own stuff on the premise that people would be m,ore inclined to take a risk on it if it were free, hence I could build a fanbase quicker and start making money from gigs. However, I've always had a niggling feeling that I shouldn't do that - that I should put a price on it. It's reassuring to know that doing so does work in generating an air of quality which actually increases interest.
Pretty much the same logic lay behind my mate's decision to get his album mastered at Abbey Road studios. For 90 quid a track he figured it will give the thing a touch more credibility in the market place. It remains to be seen how much effect it will have, but the original masters from the studio sound perfectly ok to me.Gaspode said:
Pretty much the same logic lay behind my mate's decision to get his album mastered at Abbey Road studios. For 90 quid a track ...
That seems remarkably good value. I wonder if they can take a 35 year old cassette tape, clean up the quality and transfer it to CD? I have a treasured tape which we recorded in a studio back in 1977 after which the band split up and we went our separate ways. I have always kept a copy of the cassette and keep intending to get it transferred! So listened to this album a few times now having held out till my birthday (kinda expected it as a present as everyone knows I'm a huge PF fan).
Have to say I do like it, especially some of the tracks picked out in earlier posts (quite like the organ one as well actually). I don't mind that its mostly instrumental either I just have 1 huge regret that they didn't finish louder with words with an immaculate 5-10 minute guitar solo, as that I think would have completed the album and made it the fitting tribute to PF, they could have got away with quite an aggressive one as well (thinking live version of Pigs (Three Different Ones) for example).
so close..... dammit
Have to say I do like it, especially some of the tracks picked out in earlier posts (quite like the organ one as well actually). I don't mind that its mostly instrumental either I just have 1 huge regret that they didn't finish louder with words with an immaculate 5-10 minute guitar solo, as that I think would have completed the album and made it the fitting tribute to PF, they could have got away with quite an aggressive one as well (thinking live version of Pigs (Three Different Ones) for example).
so close..... dammit
RichB said:
hat seems remarkably good value. I wonder if they can take a 35 year old cassette tape, clean up the quality and transfer it to CD? I have a treasured tape which we recorded in a studio back in 1977 after which the band split up and we went our separate ways. I have always kept a copy of the cassette and keep intending to get it transferred!
I suspect this is the kind of thing that any half-decent recording studio could do. Best bet would be to give them a ring.RichB said:
hat seems remarkably good value. I wonder if they can take a 35 year old cassette tape, clean up the quality and transfer it to CD? I have a treasured tape which we recorded in a studio back in 1977 after which the band split up and we went our separate ways. I have always kept a copy of the cassette and keep intending to get it transferred!
I've transferred the stuff I recorded over the years from my copies on tape & vinyl using Steinberg Wavelab to capture and massage the noises out.Unless you wear an eye patch it may be cheaper to pay someone to do it or find a freeware equivalent.
It's obviously not remastering so what it was becomes what it is
MitchT said:
Le Pop said:
I don't understand why expectations were so high, everybody knew it was stuff that at the time wasn't considered good enough for the Division Bell, but has now been considered good enough to put on an album.
Personally I think they could have been a bit more creative with what they had. Instead of a series of seemingly unrelated pieces of music they could have made something more conceptual and flowing. I'd love to be able to get my hands on digital 'stems' of all the individual tracks so I could cobble together my own interpretation of the album.Background music with 2-3 tracks actually worth listening to.
(Oh and I didn't like the Division Bell either).
g3org3y said:
Listened to this multiple times since purchase - I agree with the above. Why individuals on Amazon are giving this 5* I have no idea especially compared to the genius that is Dark Side and WYWH (both genuine 5* albums imo).
Background music with 2-3 tracks actually worth listening to.
(Oh and I didn't like the Division Bell either).
I generally agree with you, however 'Marooned' is one of my favourite Floyd tracks ever.Background music with 2-3 tracks actually worth listening to.
(Oh and I didn't like the Division Bell either).
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