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Blimey this has taken a turn.
I'm firmly in the 'Coxon is brilliant' camp. Whilst there is no denying that Bellamy is great, all their stuff feels just a bit contrived. It must be good to play, the crowds love it and I bet they make a mint, they are like a Hollywood blockbuster franchise. To me Coxon is more honest, writing stuff he wants to write.
I'm sure many people will hear Muse and be inspired to pick up a guitar. Hopefully they will then go on and find other people to take them onto other things.
It is a bit like Oasis, half of the band I'm in started by playing along to Oasis (not me I hasten to add) it has led to much better things (including blur
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Anyway, I think that Muse are undeniably great and Matt Bellany is clearly a genius on many levels, but Graham Coxon is more interesting.
I'm firmly in the 'Coxon is brilliant' camp. Whilst there is no denying that Bellamy is great, all their stuff feels just a bit contrived. It must be good to play, the crowds love it and I bet they make a mint, they are like a Hollywood blockbuster franchise. To me Coxon is more honest, writing stuff he wants to write.
I'm sure many people will hear Muse and be inspired to pick up a guitar. Hopefully they will then go on and find other people to take them onto other things.
It is a bit like Oasis, half of the band I'm in started by playing along to Oasis (not me I hasten to add) it has led to much better things (including blur
)Anyway, I think that Muse are undeniably great and Matt Bellany is clearly a genius on many levels, but Graham Coxon is more interesting.
franki68 said:
I'm not sure I've ever heard/read anyone mention coxon as an influence on them tbh...aside from you 
You can't be serious? Apart from neither of us being able to produce any kind of proof one way or the other,and therefore it being impossible to misunderstand anything, it's preposterous to suggest Coxon is not a widespread influence. A picture speaks a thousand words as they say. Let's pick out the bedroom guitarists from this shall we?
Never heard of Graham Coxon so went to Youtube and it played The kiss of morning album. First song starst and the guitar is out of tune (G string) 
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jol3qe07szc
Yes, yes, I know "he's a multimillion dollar success story, loads of fans". FFS. Maybe it was "deliberate".
Never noticed a Muse guitar out of tune but who knows.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jol3qe07szc
Yes, yes, I know "he's a multimillion dollar success story, loads of fans". FFS. Maybe it was "deliberate".
Never noticed a Muse guitar out of tune but who knows.
Justin Cyder said:
There is a spelling mistake in your post which is all I see.
Or maybe I've entirely missed the point...?
The typo, starst? A hastily tapped out reply on an iPad keypad for an internet forum surely can't be compared to days or weeks spent in a recording studio workng on a masterpiece that thousands will listen to.Or maybe I've entirely missed the point...?
When I'm at work I can assure you I use the utmost precision!
Are you happy for your artist of choice to go "nah, just whack that down any old how, that'll do for the buggars".
We've got a lot in common musical taste wise, you and I Justin, if the music boards are anything to go by. I just don't like sloppyness!
Nothing sloppy about Muse. I'm not a great fan of his going mad making noise with that Kaos pad on the guitar but when he does it he does it deliberately.
The point I'm getting at is picking on a tuneless string in one song instead of looking at a twenty year stellar career both solo & in Blur is beneath the discussion imo. I see the Muse fans doing it repeatedly in this thread & it's done purely to pour scorn on someone (me) who criticises one of their favourite bands. Meh.
It's demonstrably true that Blur are an indelible part of the U.K. musical landscape so that stuff is water off a ducks back to me. Besides, one of Graham Coxons unique selling points is the atonal, experimental nature of what he applies to otherwise straightforward music. Any fool can knock out a fluid blues solo, or phone in a dullard eighties tapping lick. Making jarring sounds fit perfectly to a song is a talent indeed & that's why I compare him favourably to Matt Bellamy.
It's demonstrably true that Blur are an indelible part of the U.K. musical landscape so that stuff is water off a ducks back to me. Besides, one of Graham Coxons unique selling points is the atonal, experimental nature of what he applies to otherwise straightforward music. Any fool can knock out a fluid blues solo, or phone in a dullard eighties tapping lick. Making jarring sounds fit perfectly to a song is a talent indeed & that's why I compare him favourably to Matt Bellamy.
Justin, I'm absolutely not pouring scorn on anyone, least of all you! From reading past posts of yours I have a lot of respect for you and what you write.
FWIW I think that bloke's a really good guitarist and does some very interesting stuff.
I just don't see why, having all that talent and technique, he couldn't hear the first take and think "s
t that G string's a bit out, better give it a tweak and do another take".
Also, simply selling shot loads of records is surely not a justification in itself? You only have to consider people like Miley Cyrus etc
FWIW I think that bloke's a really good guitarist and does some very interesting stuff.
I just don't see why, having all that talent and technique, he couldn't hear the first take and think "s
t that G string's a bit out, better give it a tweak and do another take".Also, simply selling shot loads of records is surely not a justification in itself? You only have to consider people like Miley Cyrus etc
For me muse have been on a steady path up their own arses since black holes and revelations.
If I want to listen to pretentious prog twiddling, I'll go back to the 70's and hear it done properly.
Shame really, faltering start, 2 decent albums then Meh!
I'll probably still keep on buying them, and hope to hear the (undeniable) promise fulfilled.
If I want to listen to pretentious prog twiddling, I'll go back to the 70's and hear it done properly.
Shame really, faltering start, 2 decent albums then Meh!
I'll probably still keep on buying them, and hope to hear the (undeniable) promise fulfilled.
Fantuzzi said:
I keep hearing people say he's a good guitarist but never heard anything that's proved that, any tracks where he 'shreds it up' to use the vernacular...
Don't have any proof to add but I saw muse live at Glastonbury in about 1999 in the new bands tent and thought he was an amazing livce player and I've seen all sorts before and since. Did see them later on when they got big and his ability to play fairly complex lead stuff whilst singing (usually quite well) stills impresses me even though the band lost their raw exciting edge a little bit
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