Morrissey has cancer
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I love the Smiths,loved a lot of his solo stuff can't stand his views on most things but they are his views so I don't care about that. Terrible thing cancer and I hope he gets rid of it and returns to form. As for the mentions about his book,it's terrible so I doubt his cancer would help it sell any more and that's from a fan!
schuey said:
I love the Smiths,loved a lot of his solo stuff can't stand his views on most things but they are his views so I don't care about that. Terrible thing cancer and I hope he gets rid of it and returns to form. As for the mentions about his book,it's terrible so I doubt his cancer would help it sell any more and that's from a fan!
What planet are you on? The book is beautifully written. 60 pages about the court case could have done with some editing down, granted.GALLARDOGUY said:
robsco said:
I imagine you haven't read it either - that it is well written is indisputable.
Any book that gets published is well written...
ttish side & he caught a lot of brickbats in the media at the time for it. Justin Cyder said:
Someone help Bill out with those hard to find Smiths lyrics? Someone? Anyone?
Deliberate missing the point is dumb episode... You know very well that I was asking the lyric fans to post ones they feel demonstrates this poetic instinct and genius you espouse. Because none of those heard in the (popular?) radio and tv tracks heard over the years suggest anything like.If you don't want to stand up, fine, maybe some of the more mature fans will. Those who don't need to point score and settle grudges. Which we now know you find hard to avoid.
BillPeart said:
Deliberate missing the point is dumb episode... You know very well that I was asking the lyric fans to post ones they feel demonstrates this poetic instinct and genius you espouse. Because none of those heard in the (popular?) radio and tv tracks heard over the years suggest anything like.
If you don't want to stand up, fine, maybe some of the more mature fans will. Those who don't need to point score and settle grudges. Which we now know you find hard to avoid.
Those mature fans you speak of Bill, would they take their cue from this kind of valuable contribution to the debate?If you don't want to stand up, fine, maybe some of the more mature fans will. Those who don't need to point score and settle grudges. Which we now know you find hard to avoid.
BillPeart said:
I’m a poet and you would know it
If I wasn’t locked in this closet,
Feeling sad about this world.
I mourn for the Malvinas,
And for the dying sailors
How could Thatcher do it?
(Sad synthetic strings, jangly guitars)
I long for the day the veterans
Can plant Gladioli on home soil
And raise the flag, righteously…
(Jangly guitars)
And little lambkins can play.
tempo rises, just a little bit.
From the “Writing Songs Earnestly, by Morrissey” tutorial guide.
If you're going to stand in a glass house, it would be an idea not to throw stones, don't you agree?If I wasn’t locked in this closet,
Feeling sad about this world.
I mourn for the Malvinas,
And for the dying sailors
How could Thatcher do it?
(Sad synthetic strings, jangly guitars)
I long for the day the veterans
Can plant Gladioli on home soil
And raise the flag, righteously…
(Jangly guitars)
And little lambkins can play.
tempo rises, just a little bit.
From the “Writing Songs Earnestly, by Morrissey” tutorial guide.
Oh dear, tragic, again.
I don't know whether you are just a game playing, must-win, hypocrite allowing of a sense of irony, levity or humour only in his own posts (and trying so hard to gain points that he doesn't even see when his attempts to turn others' words into a score are so weak; lame ploys, transparent to everyone else) or just plain stupid?
Go on, rock critic, post up some evidence of your hero's literary genius. Or have you reconsidered the bombastic hyperbole of your claim and retreated behind the subterfuge of your weedy quips?
[coincidence]JustinCyder has a malignant lump between his ears, and Morrissey might have a brain tumour.[/coincidence]
I don't know whether you are just a game playing, must-win, hypocrite allowing of a sense of irony, levity or humour only in his own posts (and trying so hard to gain points that he doesn't even see when his attempts to turn others' words into a score are so weak; lame ploys, transparent to everyone else) or just plain stupid?
Go on, rock critic, post up some evidence of your hero's literary genius. Or have you reconsidered the bombastic hyperbole of your claim and retreated behind the subterfuge of your weedy quips?
[coincidence]JustinCyder has a malignant lump between his ears, and Morrissey might have a brain tumour.[/coincidence]
BillPeart said:
Oh dear, tragic, again.
I don't know whether you are just a game playing, must-win, hypocrite allowing of a sense of irony, levity or humour only in his own posts (and trying so hard to gain points that he doesn't even see when his attempts to turn others' words into a score are so weak; lame ploys, transparent to everyone else) or just plain stupid?
Go on, rock critic, post up some evidence of your hero's literary genius. Or have you reconsidered the bombastic hyperbole of your claim and retreated behind the subterfuge of your weedy quips?
[coincidence]JustinCyder has a malignant lump between his ears, and Morrissey might have a brain tumour.[/coincidence]
Sticks & stones.I don't know whether you are just a game playing, must-win, hypocrite allowing of a sense of irony, levity or humour only in his own posts (and trying so hard to gain points that he doesn't even see when his attempts to turn others' words into a score are so weak; lame ploys, transparent to everyone else) or just plain stupid?
Go on, rock critic, post up some evidence of your hero's literary genius. Or have you reconsidered the bombastic hyperbole of your claim and retreated behind the subterfuge of your weedy quips?
[coincidence]JustinCyder has a malignant lump between his ears, and Morrissey might have a brain tumour.[/coincidence]
You stay classy now, Bill.
Far be it from me to step in and defend Justin, but Morrissey's work is available to view in loads of places on the net.
It's well accepted that Morrissey is an excellent lyricist and many critics would agree that he is one of the best.
You don't agree, which is fine. Loads of people do agree, which is also fine.
So readers of the thread really do understand that you don't rate him.
It's well accepted that Morrissey is an excellent lyricist and many critics would agree that he is one of the best.
You don't agree, which is fine. Loads of people do agree, which is also fine.
So readers of the thread really do understand that you don't rate him.
desolate said:
Far be it from me to step in and defend Justin, but Morrissey's work is available to view in loads of places on the net.
It's well accepted that Morrissey is an excellent lyricist and many critics would agree that he is one of the best.
You don't agree, which is fine. Loads of people do agree, which is also fine.
So readers of the thread really do understand that you don't rate him.
That's very fair, so I'll desist now and stop sniping.It's well accepted that Morrissey is an excellent lyricist and many critics would agree that he is one of the best.
You don't agree, which is fine. Loads of people do agree, which is also fine.
So readers of the thread really do understand that you don't rate him.
The initial, mocking, opinions posted were based on a 'not rating' him view, and particularly in response to the extreme praise heaped his way by JC (initials a coincidence, I doubt it!) and the fact that I detest the man and his public spoutings.
The later one though was a genuine attempt to understand just why several others also felt similarly, and an attempt to get such posters to say why/give examples. The aforementioned poster with the 6th form user name jumped in and looks to have closed that down.
I could search lyrics, but that wouldn't explain why posters feel them to be special, assuming I didn't 'see it'. Likewise, it was the posters here and their views I was interested in, not some critic(s) so wasn't intending to review reviews. So, was ready to be convinced; it wasn't bait for further digs, honestly. Maybe he's better than I thought and my opinion is, unfairly, clouded by antipathy to his politics and too limited an exposure to his best work?
ere...
You say: "ere thrice the sun done salutation to the dawn"
And you claim these words as your own
But I've read well, and I've heard them said
A hundred times, maybe less, maybe more
If you must write prose and poems
The words you use should be your own
Don't plagiarise or take "on loans"
There's always someone, somewhere
With a big nose, who knows
And who trips you up and laughs
When you fall
Who'll trip you up and laugh
When you fall
And if you don't think them's lyrics try...
I left the North again
I travelled south again
I got confused
I killed a horse
I can't help the way I feel
You say: "ere thrice the sun done salutation to the dawn"
And you claim these words as your own
But I've read well, and I've heard them said
A hundred times, maybe less, maybe more
If you must write prose and poems
The words you use should be your own
Don't plagiarise or take "on loans"
There's always someone, somewhere
With a big nose, who knows
And who trips you up and laughs
When you fall
Who'll trip you up and laugh
When you fall
And if you don't think them's lyrics try...
I left the North again
I travelled south again
I got confused
I killed a horse
I can't help the way I feel
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