Wheel damaged when tyre being fitted
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Argh, no point to this post other than a minor rant.
Wife picks up a puncture in the gym car park (turns out it's the rubber bit from a high heel with a 1 inch nail sticking through it. It's in the edge of a tyre so obviously it's toast even though it's only 2 months old.
Usually use event or etyres to fit on the drive but etyre don't do Uniroyals and event have them backordered until the end of the month. Local tyre place don't sell them at any price!
So, duly order one from camskill and take it down to the only place in the area that will actually fit tyres they don't source themselves.
Now it's nothing special, just a standard 17" Nissan Qashqai wheel, not low profile or anything like that, for Christ's sake it takes SUV tyres!
He slings it in the boot and I don't think to check it. Get home, go to fit it, and discover scrape marks all over one bit of the rim (perpendicular to the rim - clearly where he's levered the old one off).
Unbelievably f
ked off. I mean, you have *one* job to do, how hard is it to exercise a bit of care?
So now I either:
1. leave it (but it's wifeys car)
2. argue the toss with the tyre fitter who will say a) prove I did it b) you've got no receipt c) fk off
3. refurbish the wheel at cost/inconvenience as I have no spare wheels for it.
Why can't people just do their job properly?
Wife picks up a puncture in the gym car park (turns out it's the rubber bit from a high heel with a 1 inch nail sticking through it. It's in the edge of a tyre so obviously it's toast even though it's only 2 months old.
Usually use event or etyres to fit on the drive but etyre don't do Uniroyals and event have them backordered until the end of the month. Local tyre place don't sell them at any price!
So, duly order one from camskill and take it down to the only place in the area that will actually fit tyres they don't source themselves.
Now it's nothing special, just a standard 17" Nissan Qashqai wheel, not low profile or anything like that, for Christ's sake it takes SUV tyres!
He slings it in the boot and I don't think to check it. Get home, go to fit it, and discover scrape marks all over one bit of the rim (perpendicular to the rim - clearly where he's levered the old one off).
Unbelievably f
ked off. I mean, you have *one* job to do, how hard is it to exercise a bit of care?So now I either:
1. leave it (but it's wifeys car)
2. argue the toss with the tyre fitter who will say a) prove I did it b) you've got no receipt c) f
k off3. refurbish the wheel at cost/inconvenience as I have no spare wheels for it.
Why can't people just do their job properly?
Nanook said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
I know what you mean chaps, however, I would swear to that not being there when I took the wheel off the car as I would have noticed straight away, and, correct me if I'm wrong, the damage itself is from a tyre being levered off a rim?
Doesn't look like it to me. The shape and finish on the levers is such that they tend not to mark wheels like that.If it is from him removing the old tyre, he was doing it with a b
d file!If he's used a machine for changing the tyre it wouldn't leave marks like that; neither would tyre levers.
Maybe he dragged it across the floor (unlikely) or as others have said that looks like kerbing marks.
Probably not worth remedying, but if it's bothering you that much and you don't want to professionally refurbish, then easily repaired with a bit of filler, a quick rub down and spray. Or touch it up with one of these paintsticks.
Maybe he dragged it across the floor (unlikely) or as others have said that looks like kerbing marks.
Probably not worth remedying, but if it's bothering you that much and you don't want to professionally refurbish, then easily repaired with a bit of filler, a quick rub down and spray. Or touch it up with one of these paintsticks.
I had very similar damage to that when Quack-Fat (I won't name and shame, as per the rules...) dropped my wheel face-down from the top of the ramp.
I was watching when it happened, went and spoke to the chap
KF: "It's OK sir, I've checked over the wheel very carefully and it wasn't damaged in the fall"
Me: "It was - look" *point out obvious damage*
KF: "No, that damage was there before"
Me: "No it wasn't, the wheels were refurbished when I bought the car last week, they were perfect"
KF: "It doesn't look like fresh damage"
Me: "I took photos of my car this morning - 2 hours ago, I can show you the damage isn't there"
KF: "That's not the kind of damage you would get from dropping a wheel"
Me: "You have scraped red paint into the wheel. Your floor is red. You can see the marks on your floor which match the marks on the wheel"
KF: "We can't authorise a refund or repair, you'll need to speak with our manager"
Me: "OK where is he?"
KF: "On holiday, he'll call you when he's back in 2 weeks"
Many weeks and attempts at speaking to the manager later, I gave up and got the wheel re-refurbished.
Serves me right for going to Quack-Fat!
I was watching when it happened, went and spoke to the chap
KF: "It's OK sir, I've checked over the wheel very carefully and it wasn't damaged in the fall"
Me: "It was - look" *point out obvious damage*
KF: "No, that damage was there before"
Me: "No it wasn't, the wheels were refurbished when I bought the car last week, they were perfect"
KF: "It doesn't look like fresh damage"
Me: "I took photos of my car this morning - 2 hours ago, I can show you the damage isn't there"
KF: "That's not the kind of damage you would get from dropping a wheel"
Me: "You have scraped red paint into the wheel. Your floor is red. You can see the marks on your floor which match the marks on the wheel"
KF: "We can't authorise a refund or repair, you'll need to speak with our manager"
Me: "OK where is he?"
KF: "On holiday, he'll call you when he's back in 2 weeks"
Many weeks and attempts at speaking to the manager later, I gave up and got the wheel re-refurbished.
Serves me right for going to Quack-Fat!
NiceCupOfTea said:
I know what you mean chaps, however, I would swear to that not being there when I took the wheel off the car as I would have noticed straight away, and, correct me if I'm wrong, the damage itself is from a tyre being levered off a rim?
Tyre fitters don't "lever" tyres off rims. That's not only a butchery way to do it, it's bloody hard work.I'm no pro, but I've been fitting my own tyres at mates workshops for years. It's really very easy, and unless you're completely ham-fisted, there's very little risk of damage.
The bead is broken on the side of the machine, by an arm pushing just against the tyre, square on, slightly outside the rim. Rotate a bit, repeat, rotate, repeat until it's broken all the way round. Then turn the wheel 180deg, and do the other bead.
Then the rim's moved to the rotating plate on the top, the removal arm is lowered onto position, and the tyre bead is levered up and onto the removal arm - with the levering going against the arm, not the rim. The rim's rotated, and the outer bead comes off. The inner bead's then levered onto the arm, and the rim rotated - off.
The arm doesn't - shouldn't - even touch the rim - it's held in place very near, but not quite touching. The rim's only contact with the machine is through four little grips which bear against the inside of the back.
That's for the semi-auto wheel machines I've used quite a few times.
I've not used one of the flash full-auto modern ones, but that's going to have even less "levering" against the wheel.
It doesn't look like damage caused by a tyre lever to me; the scratches would be around the rim rather than across it. However, it IS possible that careless use of the bead breaker blade could cause do it. As for the damage looking "old", a careless tyre fitter + some brake dust / road dirt = a fairly convincing cover-up job (I'm becoming far too cynical in my old age...).
Had something similar with the local Kwik Fit. I'd used them for years and the guys there had always been nice and careful so I'd got to know them.
Needed a tyre swapped so went down there, totally new set of faces but needed the tyre sorted. Check the wheel after it's done and chipped in various places. One in the middle of the wheel so clearly been knocked against something.
Went in had a word and the fitter came out to have a look and apologised, couldn't argue it as all the other wheels were spotless and always had been. They actually ended up paying out for it to be professionally repaired.
I suspect the only reason I got away with them repairing it was because the fitted put his hands up to it. If they'd insisted on denying it, I doubt I'd have got anywhere with them.
Sadly, there are various tyre fitters that don't take the care they should be.
Needed a tyre swapped so went down there, totally new set of faces but needed the tyre sorted. Check the wheel after it's done and chipped in various places. One in the middle of the wheel so clearly been knocked against something.
Went in had a word and the fitter came out to have a look and apologised, couldn't argue it as all the other wheels were spotless and always had been. They actually ended up paying out for it to be professionally repaired.
I suspect the only reason I got away with them repairing it was because the fitted put his hands up to it. If they'd insisted on denying it, I doubt I'd have got anywhere with them.
Sadly, there are various tyre fitters that don't take the care they should be.
NiceCupOfTea said:
Argh, no point to this post other than a minor rant.
Wife picks up a puncture in the gym car park (turns out it's the rubber bit from a high heel with a 1 inch nail sticking through it. It's in the edge of a tyre so obviously it's toast even though it's only 2 months old.
Usually use event or etyres to fit on the drive but etyre don't do Uniroyals and event have them backordered until the end of the month. Local tyre place don't sell them at any price!
So, duly order one from camskill and take it down to the only place in the area that will actually fit tyres they don't source themselves.
Now it's nothing special, just a standard 17" Nissan Qashqai wheel, not low profile or anything like that, for Christ's sake it takes SUV tyres!
He slings it in the boot and I don't think to check it. Get home, go to fit it, and discover scrape marks all over one bit of the rim (perpendicular to the rim - clearly where he's levered the old one off).
Unbelievably fked off. I mean, you have *one* job to do, how hard is it to exercise a bit of care?
So now I either:
1. leave it (but it's wifeys car)
2. argue the toss with the tyre fitter who will say a) prove I did it b) you've got no receipt c) fk off
3. refurbish the wheel at cost/inconvenience as I have no spare wheels for it.
Why can't people just do their job properly?
Emboldened: no it isn't. I appreciate that this will be what they have told you, but it is incorrect/untrue. No it cannot be repaired using a plug; the simple repair method commonly used, but it can be safely and legally repaired using the far superior, but barely dearer hot vulcanised method.Wife picks up a puncture in the gym car park (turns out it's the rubber bit from a high heel with a 1 inch nail sticking through it. It's in the edge of a tyre so obviously it's toast even though it's only 2 months old.
Usually use event or etyres to fit on the drive but etyre don't do Uniroyals and event have them backordered until the end of the month. Local tyre place don't sell them at any price!
So, duly order one from camskill and take it down to the only place in the area that will actually fit tyres they don't source themselves.
Now it's nothing special, just a standard 17" Nissan Qashqai wheel, not low profile or anything like that, for Christ's sake it takes SUV tyres!
He slings it in the boot and I don't think to check it. Get home, go to fit it, and discover scrape marks all over one bit of the rim (perpendicular to the rim - clearly where he's levered the old one off).
Unbelievably f
ked off. I mean, you have *one* job to do, how hard is it to exercise a bit of care?So now I either:
1. leave it (but it's wifeys car)
2. argue the toss with the tyre fitter who will say a) prove I did it b) you've got no receipt c) f
k off3. refurbish the wheel at cost/inconvenience as I have no spare wheels for it.
Why can't people just do their job properly?
I hope you didn't leave the tyre?
Yes I did leave the tyre; what else was I going to do?
Who actually repairs tyres like this? Anywhere you look will say that if it is outside the bands then they won't repair.
Also, I should update this to say that I found a picture I took of the tyre when I was getting the details off it to reorder and you could see the damage on the rim - I have no idea when it happened but it wasn't the tyre fitter so virtual apologies to him.
Who actually repairs tyres like this? Anywhere you look will say that if it is outside the bands then they won't repair.
Also, I should update this to say that I found a picture I took of the tyre when I was getting the details off it to reorder and you could see the damage on the rim - I have no idea when it happened but it wasn't the tyre fitter so virtual apologies to him.
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