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I have. Many scientific experiments have been done on this subject and they all prove, conclusively, that the wood from which an electric guitar is made has no bearing on the sound. But still the tonewood fanbois cling to their snake oil (probably to justify to themselves why they spent an extra £1000 on an AAAA maple top).Evangelion said:
Nanook said:
Instead of repeating yourself reaaallllly slooooowwwllllyyyy, save that time and read a book or an article online. 
I have. Many scientific experiments have been done on this subject and they all prove, conclusively, that the wood from which an electric guitar is made has no bearing on the sound. But still the tonewood fanbois cling to their snake oil (probably to justify to themselves why they spent an extra £1000 on an AAAA maple top).Have a listen to the sound samples in the attached link. It's obvious, even to someone with cloth-ears, that the different woods sound different to each other.
http://guitarworks.thestrandbergs.com/2014/12/28/t...
vsonix said:
Both Epiphone and Gibson have been the subject of much complaining in recent years - if you google 'Gisbon Epiphone poor build quality' you will find pages and pages of stuff documenting their fairly spectacular fall from grace in the last decade or so.
If I was gonna be buying one I'd be looking at something pre-2000
Mostly scaremongering in my experience, my 2013 Gibson LP is beautifully made as were all the ones in the shop I tried at the time. My Dad has a mid 90s Gibson LP and mine has a better finish and a better fret job, but his is still a properly lovely guitar. I have played quite a few varying in ages over the years and the new ones are just as good.There may have been the odd lemon here and there but on the whole Gibson make spectacularly nice instruments. If I was gonna be buying one I'd be looking at something pre-2000
A second hand custom shop for the price of a new standard though, would be a different proposition entirely
SD_1 said:
Mostly scaremongering in my experience, my 2013 Gibson LP is beautifully made as were all the ones in the shop I tried at the time. My Dad has a mid 90s Gibson LP and mine has a better finish and a better fret job, but his is still a properly lovely guitar. I have played quite a few varying in ages over the years and the new ones are just as good.There may have been the odd lemon here and there but on the whole Gibson make spectacularly nice instruments.
A second hand custom shop for the price of a new standard though, would be a different proposition entirely
I'd agree with that, when I was shopping for my LP I tried dozens of 2013 and 2014 guitars. They were all very well finished I did not find anything amiss QC wise with any of them. A second hand custom shop for the price of a new standard though, would be a different proposition entirely
davidd said:
SD_1 said:
Mostly scaremongering in my experience, my 2013 Gibson LP is beautifully made as were all the ones in the shop I tried at the time. My Dad has a mid 90s Gibson LP and mine has a better finish and a better fret job, but his is still a properly lovely guitar. I have played quite a few varying in ages over the years and the new ones are just as good.There may have been the odd lemon here and there but on the whole Gibson make spectacularly nice instruments.
A second hand custom shop for the price of a new standard though, would be a different proposition entirely
I'd agree with that, when I was shopping for my LP I tried dozens of 2013 and 2014 guitars. They were all very well finished I did not find anything amiss QC wise with any of them. A second hand custom shop for the price of a new standard though, would be a different proposition entirely
Not weighing in on the Wood/tone arguments, But I do own 2 epi LP's.
One is an AFD slash special 2. IT cost about the same as a decent lunch brand new and it's perfectly playable, is a bit "thin" feeling. Would be a great starter guitar, but it does have its limitations. Pretty though.
The other is a custom pro in silver-burst, which was almost 4x the money, second hand. I picked it up, and had to have it within 2 minutes. I've played a few Gibson Standards, and I'm not sure I would stump up the extra on quality, if i did, it would be for the name on the headstock. Perhaps my style of playing doesn't highlight the difference in sound quality, but the Silver-burst is a lovely, lovely thing.
One is an AFD slash special 2. IT cost about the same as a decent lunch brand new and it's perfectly playable, is a bit "thin" feeling. Would be a great starter guitar, but it does have its limitations. Pretty though.
The other is a custom pro in silver-burst, which was almost 4x the money, second hand. I picked it up, and had to have it within 2 minutes. I've played a few Gibson Standards, and I'm not sure I would stump up the extra on quality, if i did, it would be for the name on the headstock. Perhaps my style of playing doesn't highlight the difference in sound quality, but the Silver-burst is a lovely, lovely thing.
Evangelion said:
I've had just about every type of Les Paul over the years and have just bought a Studio. Nothing wrong with it in my opinion, in fact I'm just about to sell the Standard. It's true that the more expensive ones have nicer wood, but that's just so that they can charge you more! Pickups, being magnetic devices, can't hear wood so it makes no difference to the sound. (Ignore all that b
ks the tonewood fanbois come out with.)
Talk about doing a Gerald Ratner to your credibility ks the tonewood fanbois come out with.)
How come guitars made from lucite sound so different to wooden guitars when using the same electronics? Why do guitars with identical necks and electronics but different body woods sound so markedly different? Why do guitars that are identical apart from fingerboard wood sound different? Could it be that the pickup, while a magnetic device, is actually affected by the material it is set in? Experts think so, from luthiers, producers, musicians etc, I appreciate that maybe not everyone can hear the difference. Some people still think the Earth is flat - everyone is entitled to their opinion of course!
Evangelion said:
And a lot of experts don't think so. Which means we can all take our pick!
In case you missed it, irrefutable proof.....http://guitarworks.thestrandbergs.com/2014/12/28/t...
Be interested to see links to the 'experts' you cite.
Good try, but I could hear less difference between the various woods than between the 'first' and 'second' recordings. It's going to take more than that to convince me.
Don't forget, this guy builds guitars, so it's in his interest to say that some woods are better than others. And it always seems to be the more expensive woods that these people claim to be the best (he said cynically).
Don't forget, this guy builds guitars, so it's in his interest to say that some woods are better than others. And it always seems to be the more expensive woods that these people claim to be the best (he said cynically).
Edited by Evangelion on Friday 16th September 22:49
Well, I'm sorry, but your ears don't seem to be working too well. Not only is difference audible, but the oscilloscope shows the different frequencies. Just because you, personally, can't hear the difference, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Can you tell the difference between a note played with a pick or finger? Of course you can, but using your logic, you wouldn't be able to, if it's just magnets and vibrations.
BTW, the Earth isn't flat either.....
Can you tell the difference between a note played with a pick or finger? Of course you can, but using your logic, you wouldn't be able to, if it's just magnets and vibrations.
BTW, the Earth isn't flat either.....
I know the earth isn't flat, I've watched loads of those videos and they're all bks, because they are unscientific; in the same way as the belief that a piece of wood can influence the sound of a device that produces that sound using a piece of metal in a magnetic field is also unscientific.
And of course I realise plucking the string with the fingers sounds different from with a pick, because it effects the attack of the string, which affects the magnetic field of the pickup, hence the current in the pickup windings, hence what goes into the amplifier and ultimately out of the speakers. That's why different picks make different sounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg1J7eFMFxQ
(Sorry he does tend to go on a bit.)
Anyway, I'm going to bow out now to avoid any accusations of hijacking the thread. For further sensible discussion of this subject, see my tonewoods thread.
ks, because they are unscientific; in the same way as the belief that a piece of wood can influence the sound of a device that produces that sound using a piece of metal in a magnetic field is also unscientific.And of course I realise plucking the string with the fingers sounds different from with a pick, because it effects the attack of the string, which affects the magnetic field of the pickup, hence the current in the pickup windings, hence what goes into the amplifier and ultimately out of the speakers. That's why different picks make different sounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg1J7eFMFxQ
(Sorry he does tend to go on a bit.)
Anyway, I'm going to bow out now to avoid any accusations of hijacking the thread. For further sensible discussion of this subject, see my tonewoods thread.
Evangelion said:
Anyway, I'm going to bow out now to avoid any accusations of hijacking the thread. For further sensible discussion of this subject, see my tonewoods thread.
After a week of bickering? Sorry to tell you but the horse bolted long ago, no point closing the stable door now.
Mastodon2 said:
I'm going to have my next guitar made out of polystyrene, who needs a big old slab of heavy mahogany when some lightweight packaging material with pickups in it will sound identical!
Funny you should say that!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWa8sEgpOrM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_pfL8ryWnU
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