Musicians who are ****s
Discussion
Wacky Racer said:
mikees said:
GetCarter said:
Wacky Racer said:
^^^^^^^^^
As a musician yourself Steve, I'm shocked.
Yes Mick's a cockwomble and prick of the highest order, but is a superb songwriter and vocalist...his timing is impeccable and has a fantastic voice.
Seen Simply Red more than thirty times over the years.
Held in high regard by such greats as Tom Jones, Frank Sinatra, Ronnie Wood, Robert Plant and Rod Stewart.
Shame he can't sing in tune mind.As a musician yourself Steve, I'm shocked.
Yes Mick's a cockwomble and prick of the highest order, but is a superb songwriter and vocalist...his timing is impeccable and has a fantastic voice.
Seen Simply Red more than thirty times over the years.
Held in high regard by such greats as Tom Jones, Frank Sinatra, Ronnie Wood, Robert Plant and Rod Stewart.
So Steve, can Mick hucknell sing in tune?
M
(Steve doesn't know what he is talking about)
GetCarter said:
Wacky Racer said:
^^^^^^^^^
As a musician yourself Steve, I'm shocked.
Yes Mick's a cockwomble and prick of the highest order, but is a superb songwriter and vocalist...his timing is impeccable and has a fantastic voice.
Seen Simply Red more than thirty times over the years.
Held in high regard by such greats as Tom Jones, Frank Sinatra, Ronnie Wood, Robert Plant and Rod Stewart.
Shame he can't sing in tune mind.As a musician yourself Steve, I'm shocked.
Yes Mick's a cockwomble and prick of the highest order, but is a superb songwriter and vocalist...his timing is impeccable and has a fantastic voice.
Seen Simply Red more than thirty times over the years.
Held in high regard by such greats as Tom Jones, Frank Sinatra, Ronnie Wood, Robert Plant and Rod Stewart.
Can you give an example?
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Raygun said:
battered said:
A mate of mine is a knob twiddler at an auditorium. He's met a few, the one he reckons is well up there on not getting many Christmas cards is Sharleen Spiteri (ex of Texas, now solo).
She's forever turning up on Radio 2 for some unknown reason.Edited by battered on Saturday 19th November 21:49
The success of Texas' reincarnation as purveyors of MOR soul was significantly down to them appearing on TFI Friday a lot.
Escapegoat said:
So are you claiming he was autotuned in the '80s? I've been rather bored with his output in recent decades, but back then he nailed it on track after track.
Can you give an example?
No, I'm not claiming he was autotuned. If he had been, it would have sounded in tune.Can you give an example?
Out of interest (and O/T) we did use a form of autotune back then, but it was a right faff, by altering the speed of the 2", then bouncing to 1/4", then bouncing back... but it was horrendous and took silly time to do. Mind you in the 80's we had so much money thrown at us, time wasn't an issue (an album I did took 6 months and cost WEA over half a million!)
As for examples: I hate you for making me having to listen!, but the first Youtube I found, he manages the first phrase in tune, but sadly, didn't make the second. 27 seconds in, second half of the worth ThinkING is almost a quarter tone sharp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG07WSu7Q9w
Might not bother you, but it's like finger nails on blackboards to me.
Anyway, as I mentioned originally, the fact he can't sing it tune isn't why I think he's a prat, it's because I saw him in an interview comparing himself to Bach. That's like me comparing my 100 meter running to Usaine Bolt.
That's f
king terrible. They really couldn't do a better take than that? I have to agree though, Hucknall is a tt, his singing is terrible and his music is absolutely dreadful.
It doesn't take a tuned ear to hear that Hucknall going sharp there. Awful.
It reminds me of an ancient video of Hiram Bullock playing Weather Report's 'Teen Town'. When he starts playing the keyboard lines his Strat, his pitch is all over the place. He's an accomplished player too!
king terrible. They really couldn't do a better take than that? I have to agree though, Hucknall is a tt, his singing is terrible and his music is absolutely dreadful. It doesn't take a tuned ear to hear that Hucknall going sharp there. Awful.
It reminds me of an ancient video of Hiram Bullock playing Weather Report's 'Teen Town'. When he starts playing the keyboard lines his Strat, his pitch is all over the place. He's an accomplished player too!
GetCarter said:
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As for examples: I hate you for making me having to listen!, but the first Youtube I found, he manages the first phrase in tune, but sadly, didn't make the second. 27 seconds in, second half of the worth ThinkING is almost a quarter tone sharp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG07WSu7Q9w
Might not bother you, but it's like finger nails on blackboards to me.
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I am not worthy.As for examples: I hate you for making me having to listen!, but the first Youtube I found, he manages the first phrase in tune, but sadly, didn't make the second. 27 seconds in, second half of the worth ThinkING is almost a quarter tone sharp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG07WSu7Q9w
Might not bother you, but it's like finger nails on blackboards to me.
<snip>
I can't hear the problem!
GetCarter said:
Escapegoat said:
So are you claiming he was autotuned in the '80s? I've been rather bored with his output in recent decades, but back then he nailed it on track after track.
Can you give an example?
No, I'm not claiming he was autotuned. If he had been, it would have sounded in tune.Can you give an example?
Out of interest (and O/T) we did use a form of autotune back then, but it was a right faff, by altering the speed of the 2", then bouncing to 1/4", then bouncing back... but it was horrendous and took silly time to do. Mind you in the 80's we had so much money thrown at us, time wasn't an issue (an album I did took 6 months and cost WEA over half a million!)
As for examples: I hate you for making me having to listen!, but the first Youtube I found, he manages the first phrase in tune, but sadly, didn't make the second. 27 seconds in, second half of the worth ThinkING is almost a quarter tone sharp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG07WSu7Q9w
Might not bother you, but it's like finger nails on blackboards to me.
Anyway, as I mentioned originally, the fact he can't sing it tune isn't why I think he's a prat, it's because I saw him in an interview comparing himself to Bach. That's like me comparing my 100 meter running to Usaine Bolt.
Expanding the topic slightly, I think there's a line to be trod between pitch/tone and expression/feeling. The above isn't a very good example of what I mean as it's a pretty bland take as well but I find a lot of Springsteen's more thoughtful stuff (for example) can be a bit pitchy yet is in no way annoying, due to the expressiveness of it.
I suppose it depends on genre and so on and that's what makes a good producer.
Anyway, total non-sequitir as Hucknall is a bellend and most certainly no Bach.
TonyRPH said:
GetCarter said:
<snip>
As for examples: I hate you for making me having to listen!, but the first Youtube I found, he manages the first phrase in tune, but sadly, didn't make the second. 27 seconds in, second half of the worth ThinkING is almost a quarter tone sharp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG07WSu7Q9w
Might not bother you, but it's like finger nails on blackboards to me.
<snip>
I am not worthy.As for examples: I hate you for making me having to listen!, but the first Youtube I found, he manages the first phrase in tune, but sadly, didn't make the second. 27 seconds in, second half of the worth ThinkING is almost a quarter tone sharp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG07WSu7Q9w
Might not bother you, but it's like finger nails on blackboards to me.
<snip>
I can't hear the problem!
southendpier said:
Indeed, it is a signature warble at best -bit like a vocal whammy bar or a guitarist pitch bend. It is a style. I wish I was as shyte as singing as the millionaire ginger ponce. However I can understand why it some annoys people. I can't stand singers with speech impediments..like Anthony Kiedis, Toyah, Will Young etc etc.
What he said. Pushing pitch on some notes is A Thing in any soul-based music. We all have our own subjective feel for it, and drifts from equal temperament annoy some more than others. Back when I had a TV, I couldn't listen to the X Factor auditions without my ears hurting. I went to a carol concert this Christmas and there was a key change that about half the choir missed. That really hurt. But this SR example doesn't bother me, much like many blues guitarists doing micro bends.FWIW, 99% of guitars play out of tune, despite the guitarists' best tuning efforts, and as my luthier says, developing a perfect ear is a good way to ruin your ability to enjoy a lot of music.
As for Hucknall comparing himself to Bach... meh.
No idea as to whether he is a ****, but Larry Mullen jr looks like one of the most miserable people in a band I have ever seen anytime I see footage of U2 playing live. But then again, I suppose that when the view from your office is Bono's backside, that's enough to ruin anyone's day.
Escapegoat said:
What he said. Pushing pitch on some notes is A Thing in any soul-based music. We all have our own subjective feel for it, and drifts from equal temperament annoy some more than others. Back when I had a TV, I couldn't listen to the X Factor auditions without my ears hurting. I went to a carol concert this Christmas and there was a key change that about half the choir missed. That really hurt. But this SR example doesn't bother me, much like many blues guitarists doing micro bends.
FWIW, 99% of guitars play out of tune, despite the guitarists' best tuning efforts, and as my luthier says, developing a perfect ear is a good way to ruin your ability to enjoy a lot of music.
As for Hucknall comparing himself to Bach... meh.
I don't mind a quarter tone bend or a microtonal bend where it fits. John Mclaughlin used them to good effect in Shakti, mainly because he had the sense to usually hit them on a passing tone before resolving the phrase on a chord tone. Sounds nice, tension and resolution. FWIW, 99% of guitars play out of tune, despite the guitarists' best tuning efforts, and as my luthier says, developing a perfect ear is a good way to ruin your ability to enjoy a lot of music.
As for Hucknall comparing himself to Bach... meh.
A lot of guitarists play out of tune. Anyone who has ever listened to Jack Bruce's interpretation of pitch on his fretless bass will know what I mean. A lot of guitars themselves struggle with tuning, even just intrinsically because of the way the 24 frets fall on the neck. You won't see many true temperament guitars though. I can usually listen to an open D Major chord on a guitar without cringing. I know Joe Satriani is really hot on tuning and would complain about 1st fret sharps. I think it's sort of accepted that many guitars can be as much as 10% off the 'correct' pitch at the first fret.
My ear is good, but it's not so good that I can't enjoy music. I spend a lot of time listening to top flight players though. I've also played some guitars where the open Dmaj is so out of tune it creates a 'wave' like effect as it rings out!
Loyly said:
Escapegoat said:
What he said. Pushing pitch on some notes is A Thing in any soul-based music. We all have our own subjective feel for it, and drifts from equal temperament annoy some more than others. Back when I had a TV, I couldn't listen to the X Factor auditions without my ears hurting. I went to a carol concert this Christmas and there was a key change that about half the choir missed. That really hurt. But this SR example doesn't bother me, much like many blues guitarists doing micro bends.
FWIW, 99% of guitars play out of tune, despite the guitarists' best tuning efforts, and as my luthier says, developing a perfect ear is a good way to ruin your ability to enjoy a lot of music.
As for Hucknall comparing himself to Bach... meh.
I don't mind a quarter tone bend or a microtonal bend where it fits. John Mclaughlin used them to good effect in Shakti, mainly because he had the sense to usually hit them on a passing tone before resolving the phrase on a chord tone. Sounds nice, tension and resolution. FWIW, 99% of guitars play out of tune, despite the guitarists' best tuning efforts, and as my luthier says, developing a perfect ear is a good way to ruin your ability to enjoy a lot of music.
As for Hucknall comparing himself to Bach... meh.
A lot of guitarists play out of tune. Anyone who has ever listened to Jack Bruce's interpretation of pitch on his fretless bass will know what I mean. A lot of guitars themselves struggle with tuning, even just intrinsically because of the way the 24 frets fall on the neck. You won't see many true temperament guitars though. I can usually listen to an open D Major chord on a guitar without cringing. I know Joe Satriani is really hot on tuning and would complain about 1st fret sharps. I think it's sort of accepted that many guitars can be as much as 10% off the 'correct' pitch at the first fret.
My ear is good, but it's not so good that I can't enjoy music. I spend a lot of time listening to top flight players though. I've also played some guitars where the open Dmaj is so out of tune it creates a 'wave' like effect as it rings out!
Idid work at Scotland's biggest music festival every year for about 20 years. Only recall three examples of tttishness and I doubt if these artistes have any staying power for the long-term.
Artists Village used to be just across the Production Road from the back of the main stage so a very secure area. M&M didn't want to cross the Production Road in case he got mud on his shoes. It's a festival in a field in Scotland in the summer. What did he think he was going to get on his shoes before he took the money? Googling for the story was the first I've heard of a hunt for lasers in the crowd. We can't even find great big flares in there when 60,000 or more pile in!!!
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/music/m...
For the second ttfest, we are still in the secure area, remember. JayZee had security staff line both sides of the road for a good distance in each direction - something I have never seen for ANY other (much bigger and better) artists, either before or since.
While all that was going on, Madness piled into an Arnold Clark minibus to be taken off to the NME stage, all laughing and having a great time. I think this was the same year that Beyonce did a full-length faceplant when getting out of the helicopter but I only heard about that - didn't see it. Damn!
Third one is Nicki Minaj. When the message to close all gates on the Production Road came over the radio so she could be driven through the site without anyone looking at her, I actually had to ask a punter who she was. His response: "Do you remember A.L.F on the telly?"
http://www.nme.com/news/music/nicki-minaj-83-12688...
Then she wouldn't leave her dressing room because the grass outside hadn't been cut short enough so she was very late on stage and got a very warm welcome from the "crowd" that had bothered to hang around.
http://musicfeeds.com.au/news/nicki-minaj-booed-af...
ttishness and I doubt if these artistes have any staying power for the long-term.Artists Village used to be just across the Production Road from the back of the main stage so a very secure area. M&M didn't want to cross the Production Road in case he got mud on his shoes. It's a festival in a field in Scotland in the summer. What did he think he was going to get on his shoes before he took the money? Googling for the story was the first I've heard of a hunt for lasers in the crowd. We can't even find great big flares in there when 60,000 or more pile in!!!
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/music/m...
For the second t
tfest, we are still in the secure area, remember. JayZee had security staff line both sides of the road for a good distance in each direction - something I have never seen for ANY other (much bigger and better) artists, either before or since. While all that was going on, Madness piled into an Arnold Clark minibus to be taken off to the NME stage, all laughing and having a great time. I think this was the same year that Beyonce did a full-length faceplant when getting out of the helicopter but I only heard about that - didn't see it. Damn!
Third one is Nicki Minaj. When the message to close all gates on the Production Road came over the radio so she could be driven through the site without anyone looking at her, I actually had to ask a punter who she was. His response: "Do you remember A.L.F on the telly?"
http://www.nme.com/news/music/nicki-minaj-83-12688...
Then she wouldn't leave her dressing room because the grass outside hadn't been cut short enough so she was very late on stage and got a very warm welcome from the "crowd" that had bothered to hang around.
http://musicfeeds.com.au/news/nicki-minaj-booed-af...
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