Lets look at our guitars thread

[Turn7]

singlecoil said:

Collected mine this afternoon, haven't done anything to it yet, but I will be doing quite a lot, soon as my workshop is ready.

Was that from a local shop SC ?

[singlecoil]

Turn7 said:

singlecoil said:

Collected mine this afternoon, haven't done anything to it yet, but I will be doing quite a lot, soon as my workshop is ready.

Was that from a local shop SC ?

No, I bought it on eBay the other day, it's a 2010 guitar personally imported by the people I bought it from. It's evidently not had a lot of use. I'd forgotten how light they are, especially compared to a Les Paul.

[conkerman]

I bought this today as a treat to myself

Can't play and don't have the talent to be good.

Nice bit of kit though.

[Gaspode]

conkerman said:

I bought this today as a treat to myself

Can't play and don't have the talent to be good.

Nice bit of kit though.

Very nice, I like that a lot. What amp have you got to go with it?

[conkerman]

A very bad one

Peavey KB-3 or a BB Blaster (Don't ask ) Through a Digitech RP200

Use the Amp for my drums and Bass and the keyboard my mum has just bought my eldest.

Not perfect, but a sensible solution.

[jbudgie]

conkerman said:

I bought this today as a treat to myself

Can't play and don't have the talent to be good.

Nice bit of kit though.

Looks good although I always think a Strat should have single coils.

[OldSkoolRS]

jbudgie said:

Looks good although I always think a Strat should have single coils.

Well it does; the middle and neck pick ups anyway.

I like it.

singlecoil said:

No, I bought it on eBay the other day, it's a 2010 guitar personally imported by the people I bought it from. It's evidently not had a lot of use. I'd forgotten how light they are, especially compared to a Les Paul.

I'm already thinking about what guitar to buy for my next 'milestone' birthday and an SG keeps popping up as a possible (I have a JV Squier Strat, Epiphone Les Paul and a Squire Tele). I like the idea that the SG is lighter than a Les Paul, but has the shorter scale neck I like (I have small hands). I fancy an SG with P90s as it would be a little different to my other guitars too, but can't seem to find one that isn't a very expensive 'vintage' guitar or is in a finish that appeals to me...I'll keep looking though as a lighter guitar is better with a dodgy back.

Edited by OldSkoolRS on Saturday 19th July 19:52

[jbudgie]

jbudgie said:
Looks good although I always think a Strat should have single coils.
Well it does; the middle and neck pick ups anyway. wink


You know what I meant---

[vinnie01]

johnbaz said:

Hi all

I bought this from a local bootsale last weekend, it was covered in crud and dust, the strings were rusty and wound the wrong way on top the machines but it's lovely to play and produces a really thick creamy tone!!

The guitar has a set neck rather than the normal four screws and plate, I've not seen this before on an LP copy!, are there any benefits to this or is the bolt on version the better one??

It scrubbed up pretty well but could do with a new selector switch! Can't complain though for £15, a new set of Daddarios and around an hour cleaning/setting up!!








Cheers, John

John thats a Vintage VR100 series guitar you have there the set in neck serves to make the neck and body resonate as one piece of wood as there are no obvious gaps/breaks. this gives tonal benifits. the bad news is its more expensive if you break the neck

[singlecoil]

vinnie01 said:

the set in neck serves to make the neck and body resonate as one piece of wood as there are no obvious gaps/breaks. this gives tonal benefits.

I don't think so.

[EskimoArapaho]

singlecoil said:

vinnie01 said:

the set in neck serves to make the neck and body resonate as one piece of wood as there are no obvious gaps/breaks. this gives tonal benefits.

I don't think so.

Violins. Acoustic guitars.

Bolt-on necks are a cheap and cheerful way of building an electric instrument, where deficits in natural resonance are masked by compression and sustain from the FX and the amplifier.

[singlecoil]

EskimoArapaho said:

singlecoil said:

vinnie01 said:

the set in neck serves to make the neck and body resonate as one piece of wood as there are no obvious gaps/breaks. this gives tonal benefits.

I don't think so.

Violins. Acoustic guitars.

Bolt-on necks are a cheap and cheerful way of building an electric instrument, where deficits in natural resonance are masked by compression and sustain from the FX and the amplifier.

Resonance is not a desirable characteristic in electric guitars, as it reduces sustain.

There is no significant difference in the cost of producing either type in large scale production situations.

A large number of well-known manufacturers seem to be unaware of the advantages that some people imagine glued in neck guitars have. A large number of players, some of them quite famous, are likewise unaware of these 'advantages'.

[IainT]

singlecoil said:

A large number of well-known manufacturers seem to be unaware of the advantages that some people imagine glued in neck guitars have. A large number of players, some of them quite famous, are likewise unaware of these 'advantages'.

Does this apply to neck-through as well? It seems to me that the lion's share of higher-end gear is not bolt-on in the bass domain.

[Justin Cyder]

This all revolves around the preconception that sustain is the incontrovertible destination for all guitarists. Tone is about opinion, it's not a matter of fact. The Beach boys recorded some of the greatest pop music ever using guitars with very little sustain. Not everyone wants to vibrato a single note for forty minutes.

[singlecoil]

IainT said:

singlecoil said:

A large number of well-known manufacturers seem to be unaware of the advantages that some people imagine glued in neck guitars have. A large number of players, some of them quite famous, are likewise unaware of these 'advantages'.

Does this apply to neck-through as well? It seems to me that the lion's share of higher-end gear is not bolt-on in the bass domain.

Somebody spending a lot of money on a bass guitar will want to get the feeling that he is getting a lot for his money. Makers know this, and just as Rolls Royce etc with give their customers hand-stitched leather from matched hides, so those makers of expensive basses will give their customers exotic woods and neck through body construction.

Does it make any difference to how it plays (or drives)? As long as the owner thinks it does, then it does. And I agree with that. Musicians are artists, and as such their involvement with their equipment is as much about emotion as it is science, maybe even more so.

[EskimoArapaho]

Justin Cyder said:

This all revolves around the preconception that sustain is the incontrovertible destination for all guitarists. Tone is about opinion, it's not a matter of fact. The Beach boys recorded some of the greatest pop music ever using guitars with very little sustain. Not everyone wants to vibrato a single note for forty minutes.

This is true. With electric guitars and the FX to amplifier chain, you get different tones and responses. And compression and distortion cover many instrument-to-instrument differences. It's subjective and interactive. There are, after all, guitars made out of that hardboard-like stuff!

But for an instrument alone (those violins and acoustics, but including the electric guitar) a bolt-on neck is a negative factor.

[singlecoil]

EskimoArapaho said:

But for an instrument alone (those violins and acoustics, but including the electric guitar) a bolt-on neck is a negative factor.

Violins and acoustic guitars are fundamentally different to solid electrics. For solid electric guitars bolt-on necks are NOT negative factors.

[IainT]

singlecoil said:

Somebody spending a lot of money on a bass guitar will want to get the feeling that he is getting a lot for his money. Makers know this, and just as Rolls Royce etc with give their customers hand-stitched leather from matched hides, so those makers of expensive basses will give their customers exotic woods and neck through body construction.

Does it make any difference to how it plays (or drives)? As long as the owner thinks it does, then it does. And I agree with that. Musicians are artists, and as such their involvement with their equipment is as much about emotion as it is science, maybe even more so.

Interesting, thanks

I've certainly not noticed a big difference (I've 2 bolt-on and one neck thru of varying quality). The most solid feeling bass I've had a play on was a Sadowsky (this one http://manchesterbasslounge.com/?p=3239). A bit out of my price range for a 5-string but a stunning bass to play - similar solidity to my Musicman Sterling.

Interestingly (to me) my current target bass, Dingwall Combustion NG2, is bolt-on as is their whole range even including their flagship 'Prima Artist' weighing in around £7k!

If I was dumping serious cash into a bass though I'd want it to look stunning as well as play amazingly.

[singlecoil]

IainT said:

Interestingly (to me) my current target bass, Dingwall Combustion NG2, is bolt-on as is their whole range even including their flagship 'Prima Artist' weighing in around £7k!

I had to Google that, but having done so, would agree that they are visually exciting. As for the bolts (or screws as they way well be) it's a very effective way of joining two pieces of wood together as anyone who has used their Strat to smash up their drummer's kit can testify.

[Driller]

singlecoil said:

EskimoArapaho said:

But for an instrument alone (those violins and acoustics, but including the electric guitar) a bolt-on neck is a negative factor.

Violins and acoustic guitars are fundamentally different to solid electrics. For solid electric guitars bolt-on necks are NOT negative factors.

I have a very nice Segull 12 string acoustic. It has a bolt on neck like a lot of segulls of its era and the sound is very nice.