Lets look at our guitars thread

Lets look at our guitars thread

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rsbmw

3,464 posts

106 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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Evangelion said:
Actually, I was on the AliExpress website and was very tempted to order a fake Chinese Paul Reed Smith. It would have had all the Paul Reed Smith logos and the full carved top, and I could have had any colour I wanted. But all the hardware would have been crap and need replacing, ditto the electronics and pickups, and I'd probably have had to level and reprofile the frets as well, to end up with something that was still not as good, and would have been illegal to sell (and may even have been confiscated before it reached me).

With this one, all I had to do was give the fingerboard a clean, tweak the action and fit a new set of strings.

There's a group on Facebook dedicated to fake Chinese guitars, and just because I told them this, they all ganged up on me and said I was 'trolling.' In fact I think I've now been thrown off it. wkers.
I've been looking at this recently, not for a fake though, but because I'm interested in a custom guitar. Won't post any links but if you do the research there are several sellers knocking out some really good stuff, including solid maple tops etc if you're willing to pay the extra for it.

Anyway, a couple of weeks ago I ordered the following,

Guitar based on PRS Paul's guitar
24 fret neck with 25.5" scale
Only dubious bit really copyright wise is the bird inlays, because I love these
Light blue colour
One piece mahogany body
One piece mahogany neck
Custom logo and serial number (my daughters name and DoB)
Few other specific requests
Only a flame maple veneer

Obviously opinions will be split on this type of thing, but as it doesn't carry any PRS logos and I'm not trying to represent it as such, it's not something I'm unduly concerned about. Plenty of legit makers producing copycat guitars in a similar fashion.

Results of this little experiment will either scratch the custom guitar itch, or force me to drop a few grand on a proper one!

Anyway, got my first pics through this morn, looks great IMO. I'm expecting some minor setup issues and garbage electrics, but this thing cost a little over £200 and looks exactly what I want so far.









Edited by rsbmw on Thursday 3rd March 06:36

SWoll

18,449 posts

259 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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I think you might be being very optimistic around the 'minor setup issues'. Having read a few threads on this subject when I first started playing a couple of years back talk of twisted necks, broken truss rods, uneven frets, badly cut nuts, wonky tailpieces etc. where all very common. Once you've paid to sort out the electrics and a few other issues you're well into genuine SE territory.

£449



£499



rsbmw

3,464 posts

106 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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I've got SE's already, and have certainly read up on the subject. Franky even SE's have poor nuts, pickups and tuners.

I'm using a known quantity seller, and several people have received very good instruments, in fact I couldn't find anyone who, adjustments/electrics aside, wasn't extremely happy with results from this seller/factory. I'll post results here, expect the guitar with me in a couple of weeks. It's an experiment as much as anything else, worst case scenario it's wall art (a lovely looking guitar with my daughters name on the headstock), and frankly I'd even be happy with that.

Once it arrives, assuming it's in good enough shape, I'll be giving it to my guitar tech to swap the nut, setup and replace the electrics/pickups. If it's in bad shape, I'll either leave it hanging on the wall or piss around doing those things myself.





Edited by rsbmw on Thursday 3rd March 09:24

Evangelion

7,737 posts

179 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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I've bought several guitars from Chinese sellers on AliExpress and have found the fit and finish to be excellent, it's just the electrics and hardware that lets them down and you end up replacing pretty much everything. Fret jobs aren't the best in the world either and often a levelling and reprofiling job is called for.

If you have to pay someone else to do all this work, then there's little difference between this and buying a reasonable quality guitar (hence my PRS SE instead of a Chinese jobby) but if like me you do it all yourself then it's not too bad.

As an example, the first one I bought was a fake Les Paul Standard, price including case and shipping and was £183, plus import VAT of £33. I then replaced the pickups, pickup rings, bridge and posts, truss rod cover, nut, selectors switch knob and ring, jackplate, capacitors, pickguard and knobs, and added knob pointers. Total cost £88 plus £16 carriage. (Some people replace the pots as well.)

Of the bits I removed, I was only able to sell the pickups and rings, for £10. The rest are sat in a box somewhere (probably to be chucked out when I find them!)

Notice also I haven't listed the prices of any tools and materials I needed to do all the work.

My advice if you're thinking of buying something like this is to look at the seller's feedback carefully, and make sure they send you a photo of the actual guitar they are sending you - insisting on a piece of paper with your name on in the same picture is a good ploy. With my Les Paul, I rejected one seller because of inconsistency of photos; the flame pattern in the top was different in all of them. The seller I eventually chose, sent me photos of two guitars and invited me to choose between them.
Also make sure that all correspondence between you and the seller is on AiExpress messaging where it can be seen in case of dispute. Finally reject all suggestions from the seller regarding payment method; always use AliExpress, where the Escrow system ensures the seller doesn't get paid until you have received the goods and are happy with them.



Edited by Evangelion on Thursday 3rd March 11:22

Don1

15,952 posts

209 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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BRISTOL86 said:
Just picked up this beauty. My first serious guitar and I'm blown away by it.
Missed this. Wow.

Hrimfaxi

1,036 posts

128 months

Friday 4th March 2016
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My new CD-60 turned up this morning, very nice for the money! The phone pic doesn't do the mahogany justice.


rsbmw

3,464 posts

106 months

Friday 4th March 2016
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Nice, is that solid mahogany? Must say I haven't played any fender acoustic made in the last several years, but I have a DG41S with solid spruce top/rosewood sides and back, and an old school F35 I'm really fond of. I've always preferred their acoustics to their electrics!

Hrimfaxi

1,036 posts

128 months

Friday 4th March 2016
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rsbmw said:
Nice, is that solid mahogany? Must say I haven't played any fender acoustic made in the last several years, but I have a DG41S with solid spruce top/rosewood sides and back, and an old school F35 I'm really fond of. I've always preferred their acoustics to their electrics!
Thank you, it's just laminated mahogany. I bet your F35 is lovely to play!
This is my first Fender acoustic, I have a Dean Exotica as my go-to guitar, but I bought this one on a whim really and I haven't put it down yet!



ColonialNomad

30 posts

109 months

Saturday 5th March 2016
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I'm a little late to this topic and not a frequent visitor but here goes anyway:

I'm still a learner guitarist, my main instrument is bass. But I like to learn stuff (or at least have a go) by Joe Satriani, Alan Murphy and Nile Rodgers. Probably better at Chic stuff than the others if the truth be told. Anyways, gear is below:

Guitar:


A bevy of Yamaha MSG deluxes. Love these guitars. If I didn't have a Nile Rodgers obsession, would probably be the only model I would own.


A Nile Rodgers Hitmaker replica by Al Knight. Built slavishly to the spec of his guitar, including the thinner body and brass pickguard.



'Triggers Broom', a Chandler strat completely reconditioned. The only original part is the wood. Signed on the back by Nile Rodgers (I hadn't commissioned the Hitmaker yet)


Signal chain:


Lexicon MPXG2 - great for delays and feature an insert effects loop for separate preamps or OD pedals. Very very configurable and ahead of it's time for 1998. You can pick them up for peanuts these days.


Zoom G3X and Joyo American Sound (acquired this week so haven't tried them yet) Joyo for Fender cleans and OD. Zoom for compression, wah and delays.

(incomingsmile


Amptweaker Tight Rock - for Marshall and Boogie impersonations


Burman GX3 preamp - for boosting my Burman Pro501 (see below)

Amps:


Burman Pro501 (ex Lindisfarne) - three stage gain before Mesa Boogie did it. Lovely raw, searing power chords when pushed...and very neutral cleans. Amazing versatile amp and no longer made after 1984.


Ibanez TSA5 combo (x2) - £90 each, 12AX7 pre and 6V6 power stages. Cracking Fender Champ clones with tube screamers built in. Rave reviews all over the interweb.

ColonialNomad

30 posts

109 months

Saturday 5th March 2016
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PS: I won't bore you all with the bass gear.

Honk

1,985 posts

204 months

Saturday 5th March 2016
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ColonialNomad said:
PS: I won't bore you all with the bass gear.
No..please do smile

Evangelion

7,737 posts

179 months

Saturday 5th March 2016
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Honk said:
ColonialNomad said:
PS: I won't bore you all with the bass gear.
No..please do smile
I second that, please do.

Always loved the Yamaha MSG. Burman amps have had some good things said about them too.

ColonialNomad

30 posts

109 months

Sunday 6th March 2016
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LOL...OK, if you insist...but I left one out from the previous post above only because it's a work in progress and I'd forgotten about it.


Klein replica: Moses steinberger neck, NZ mountain beech body with redwood top and Steinberger R trem. Control cavity needs routing for a Fernandes sustainer. In pieces for the last 6 years as its been mostly in storage or I've been in a location where noone could work on it. So I've yet to play it...!


However it did have a previous life with a less ergonomic body.

And so to the basses:


Spector NS5CR: Modified quite a bit with coil switching and a 3 band parametic eq so it's a little more versatile. Sounds gorgeous - very growly midrange. Neck is a little warped though which prevents super low action. So ultimately it would benefit from a stiffer, ebony fingerboard at some point in the future. Still a keeper though.


Status Series 1 5 string: Gets used for more keyboard dominated stuff and has a carbon graphite composite neck. Not so growly as other Status models but has an immense low end presence in the mix. Also a keeper.


Pedulla Pentabuzz 5 string fretless: It has a polyester coated fingerboard for singing highs and lots of mwaaaah slow attack. Like the spector, its all maple and has been modified with higher fidelity pickups.


Shuker Headless 6 with Graphtec Ghost 13 pin MIDI output: Originally I commissioned this when I wanted to spend more time in my home studio laying down parts in MIDI, but the latency sucks for lower notes. It's in storage at the moment but may end up stringing it piccolo style (same pitches as a guitar)...or maybe not if my family continues to grow...


Prior to storage the bass had been autographed by Doug Wimbish, Billy Sheehan and Lee Sklar. The maker, Jon Shuker, builds instruments for The Stranglers and has been teaching me how to build my own instruments (see below).


1979 Alembic Series 1:
One of 50 ever made with a graphite neck. On board factory installed wiring allows each pickup its own side in the stereo field.


1978 Musicman Stingray:
To continue my Chic obsession - laying down those Bernard Edwards lines. All original and funky as hell, even smells funky.


1986 Pangborn Warlord w/ graphite neck. Interesting and tragic history behind the demise of the brand involving, in my opinion, bullying. Instrument was in a bad shape when I bought it so its currently being refinished by Jon Shuker.




Work in progress: Two matching self builds with Moses Steinberger necks in fretted and fretless formats. Carved maple top, mahogany body, custom soapbars from Armstrong, custom 3 band parametric preamp from Noll, special headless bridge design that hides the tuners. I had wanted to go for elegant archtop but it ended up looking more like PRSteinberger...:/

Hopefully I'll finish one off when I come back to the UK in September.


Signal chain:


Zoom B3 multi effects unit (a more portable replacement for a second Lexicon MPXG2 given I only use compression, multitap delay, chorus and pitchshift at most)


Akai Deep Impact bass synth pedal: I bought this before the prices went stratospherically insane.


Due to be replaced in a few days by version 2, the Future Impact. Designed by the same guy, he just doesn't work for Akai any more. Has more features and all the good things about the Deep Impact.


Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 (x2): Class D lightweight amp, very articulate midrange and tight lows. Greeat for hearing what notes you're playing on stage.


fEARless F112 cabs (x2): Very hi fidelity and articulate cabs but so sweet sounding at full push. Best cabs I've ever played and they've been up against the best of them in A/B tests - Schroeder, Barefaced, Bergantino etc. Tiltback feature helps with monitoring on small stages. The above image shows cabs that are identical to my cabs apart from the baffles on mine being natural wood. I don't have photos of them at the moment.

and finally:


Two Burman Pro4000 bass heads - 140w each. This is the better sounding, earlier road rashed version. Sweet highs like a Fender Bassman. The other one of them is in mint condition and has about 10-12 hours playing time. Previous owner had a car accident just after purchasing it and only got to play it once.

I had a few more interesting bits and pieces but had a clear out last year so have just kept the basses that are fun to play. One of the MSG's is on consignment at Hanks on Denmark St in London if anyone is in the market.

Edited by ColonialNomad on Sunday 6th March 04:19

Honk

1,985 posts

204 months

Sunday 6th March 2016
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smokin

ColonialNomad

30 posts

109 months

Monday 7th March 2016
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Well that killed the topic rather nicely, I thought.

Don1

15,952 posts

209 months

Monday 7th March 2016
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Not that I know Bass, that does look like some nice kit.

Tom_C76

1,923 posts

189 months

Monday 7th March 2016
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Do mandolins count for this thread? If so I'll get some photos of my new toy later, a solid body mandocaster.

davidd

6,452 posts

285 months

Monday 7th March 2016
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Tom_C76 said:
Do mandolins count for this thread? If so I'll get some photos of my new toy later, a solid body mandocaster.
nooo not a mandocaster.... I have to suffer the joys of an electric mandolin at rehearsal every week... Actually he recently bought a solid body fender 4 string which is much nicer. However if you post it then I'll be back with ukuleles...

Baryonyx

18,001 posts

160 months

Monday 7th March 2016
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ColonialNomad said:
LOL...OK, if you insist...but I left one out from the previous post above only because it's a work in progress and I'd forgotten about it.


Klein replica: Moses steinberger neck, NZ mountain beech body with redwood top and Steinberger R trem. Control cavity needs routing for a Fernandes sustainer. In pieces for the last 6 years as its been mostly in storage or I've been in a location where noone could work on it. So I've yet to play it...!


However it did have a previous life with a less ergonomic body.

And so to the basses:


Spector NS5CR: Modified quite a bit with coil switching and a 3 band parametic eq so it's a little more versatile. Sounds gorgeous - very growly midrange. Neck is a little warped though which prevents super low action. So ultimately it would benefit from a stiffer, ebony fingerboard at some point in the future. Still a keeper though.


Status Series 1 5 string: Gets used for more keyboard dominated stuff and has a carbon graphite composite neck. Not so growly as other Status models but has an immense low end presence in the mix. Also a keeper.


Pedulla Pentabuzz 5 string fretless: It has a polyester coated fingerboard for singing highs and lots of mwaaaah slow attack. Like the spector, its all maple and has been modified with higher fidelity pickups.


Shuker Headless 6 with Graphtec Ghost 13 pin MIDI output: Originally I commissioned this when I wanted to spend more time in my home studio laying down parts in MIDI, but the latency sucks for lower notes. It's in storage at the moment but may end up stringing it piccolo style (same pitches as a guitar)...or maybe not if my family continues to grow...


Prior to storage the bass had been autographed by Doug Wimbish, Billy Sheehan and Lee Sklar. The maker, Jon Shuker, builds instruments for The Stranglers and has been teaching me how to build my own instruments (see below).


1979 Alembic Series 1:
One of 50 ever made with a graphite neck. On board factory installed wiring allows each pickup its own side in the stereo field.


1978 Musicman Stingray:
To continue my Chic obsession - laying down those Bernard Edwards lines. All original and funky as hell, even smells funky.


1986 Pangborn Warlord w/ graphite neck. Interesting and tragic history behind the demise of the brand involving, in my opinion, bullying. Instrument was in a bad shape when I bought it so its currently being refinished by Jon Shuker.




Work in progress: Two matching self builds with Moses Steinberger necks in fretted and fretless formats. Carved maple top, mahogany body, custom soapbars from Armstrong, custom 3 band parametric preamp from Noll, special headless bridge design that hides the tuners. I had wanted to go for elegant archtop but it ended up looking more like PRSteinberger...:/

Hopefully I'll finish one off when I come back to the UK in September.


Signal chain:


Zoom B3 multi effects unit (a more portable replacement for a second Lexicon MPXG2 given I only use compression, multitap delay, chorus and pitchshift at most)


Akai Deep Impact bass synth pedal: I bought this before the prices went stratospherically insane.


Due to be replaced in a few days by version 2, the Future Impact. Designed by the same guy, he just doesn't work for Akai any more. Has more features and all the good things about the Deep Impact.


Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 (x2): Class D lightweight amp, very articulate midrange and tight lows. Greeat for hearing what notes you're playing on stage.


fEARless F112 cabs (x2): Very hi fidelity and articulate cabs but so sweet sounding at full push. Best cabs I've ever played and they've been up against the best of them in A/B tests - Schroeder, Barefaced, Bergantino etc. Tiltback feature helps with monitoring on small stages. The above image shows cabs that are identical to my cabs apart from the baffles on mine being natural wood. I don't have photos of them at the moment.

and finally:


Two Burman Pro4000 bass heads - 140w each. This is the better sounding, earlier road rashed version. Sweet highs like a Fender Bassman. The other one of them is in mint condition and has about 10-12 hours playing time. Previous owner had a car accident just after purchasing it and only got to play it once.

I had a few more interesting bits and pieces but had a clear out last year so have just kept the basses that are fun to play. One of the MSG's is on consignment at Hanks on Denmark St in London if anyone is in the market.

Edited by ColonialNomad on Sunday 6th March 04:19
That is a fking wild collection! Your Klein replica is amazing but the graphite necked Alembic is the crown jewel. Between that, the Status and the Pangborn, might I assume you're a Mark King fan?

As an aside, I nearly bought a headless Shuker myself at one point. It was a 4 string singlecut that had been a demo model for a trade show. I spoke to Jon over the phone about it but I was not convinced it was quite right for me so I never did go through with buying it.

IainT

10,040 posts

239 months

Tuesday 8th March 2016
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ColonialNomad said:
<snip awesome bass stuff>
Some lovely kit there - very droolsome. If you're ever bored with the synth pedal... smile

Love the Pedulla and Spector - I've been eyeing up the blue NS2 on Bass Direct's site for a while!