Rant: The fakeness of white 'rap' artists...Timberland..emin

[Dan_1981]

HertsBiker said:

so why's he sound so $hit then?
Why is rap even accepted as a viable form of music when it just sounds contrived? apart from French rap that actually sounds half way decent, prob cos I can't understand it.
And don't give me all the poor white boy rubbish. Leave the rap to the black dudes who do it better, and then we can all ignore it as a minority abuse of airspace. Not joking. Rap is cr@p. None of it is going to be remembered longer than a few years of production, and if it is, it won't be remembered like the Beatles or the Stones.

The beatles or the stones????

Do you realise how irrelevant either of them are to 90% of the people who grow up listening to/creating rap?

[Technonotice]

HertsBiker said:

so why's he sound so $hit then?
Why is rap even accepted as a viable form of music when it just sounds contrived? apart from French rap that actually sounds half way decent, prob cos I can't understand it.
And don't give me all the poor white boy rubbish. Leave the rap to the black dudes who do it better, and then we can all ignore it as a minority abuse of airspace. Not joking. Rap is cr@p. None of it is going to be remembered longer than a few years of production, and if it is, it won't be remembered like the Beatles or the Stones.

That's a rather foolish and ignorant statement.

[Sarkmeister]

Since when was Justin Timberlake claiming to be a rapper?

[Airbag]

This thread is going to be great, you can just tell.

[HertsBiker]

So tell me why rap is supposed to be recognised as a valid artform?
It sounds very repetative with rhyming based on a simplistic form..
Who is going to remember the lyrics in 40 years time? or even 20? or 10?

[DrTre]

HertsBiker said:

Leave the rap to the black dudes who do it better, and then we can all ignore it as a minority abuse of airspace. Not joking. Rap is cr@p. None of it is going to be remembered longer than a few years of production, and if it is, it won't be remembered like the Beatles or the Stones.

Funny. Same thing was being said, what, 30 years ago.

It'll be remembered by the people who listen to it, like it and to whom it means as much to them as the Beatles and Stones mean to you. Clearly, that's not you, however it is an awful lot of people worldwide.

[chimera40]

Technonotice said:

chimera40 said:

taught most of todays rappers to rap FFS

A real LOL there.


Like who?

Redman, Missy Elliot, Jay-z, 2Pac, D12, 50 Cent,Kid Rock, DMX, Jadakiss and many more have all invited and collaborated with Eminem, many of them asking him to produce their albums. Need anymore.

[Technonotice]

Airbag said:

This thread is going to be great, you can just tell.

Bring forth the ignorance!

[HertsBiker]

ok, trying to fight my hatred of rap: can you please recomend some rap that I could listen to, that you think would persuade me that it is worthwhile. I promise to give it a serious go.

[DrTre]

HertsBiker said:

So tell me why rap is supposed to be recognised as a valid artform?
It sounds very repetative with rhyming based on a simplistic form..
Who is going to remember the lyrics in 40 years time? or even 20? or 10?

You do realise you're sounding exactly like the conservative moral majority sounded in the 50s and 60s when speaking of the Beatles and Stones etc?!

ETA, am not remotely suggesting you should or will like rap, but it's every bit as valid as anything else?

Edited by DrTre on Sunday 4th October 22:39

[collateral]

I love it when people dismiss entire genres on the strength of little to nothing at all.

I'm not into (and know nothing about) classical music. Doesn't mean it's crap.

[HertsBiker]

DrTre said:

HertsBiker said:

So tell me why rap is supposed to be recognised as a valid artform?
It sounds very repetative with rhyming based on a simplistic form..
Who is going to remember the lyrics in 40 years time? or even 20? or 10?

You do realise you're sounding exactly like the conservative moral majority sounded in the 50s and 60s when speaking of the Beatles and Stones etc?!

I know. Appalling. I've become my father! ok, sell me some rap. Go on, gimme a link and I'll listen. Honest!

[Technonotice]

chimera40 said:

Redman, Missy Elliot, Jay-z, 2Pac, D12, 50 Cent,Kid Rock, DMX, Jadakiss and many more have all invited and collaborated with Eminem, many of them asking him to produce their albums. Need anymore.

Tupac????

[Dan_1981]

chimera40 said:

Technonotice said:

chimera40 said:

taught most of todays rappers to rap FFS

A real LOL there.


Like who?

Redman, Missy Elliot, Jay-z, 2Pac, D12, 50 Cent,Kid Rock, DMX, Jadakiss and many more have all invited and collaborated with Eminem, many of them asking him to produce their albums. Need anymore.

2pac?

I knew he wasn't REALLY dead!

[Tony Starks]

chimera40 said:

Technonotice said:

chimera40 said:

taught most of todays rappers to rap FFS

A real LOL there.


Like who?

Redman, Missy Elliot, Jay-z, 2Pac, D12, 50 Cent,Kid Rock, DMX, Jadakiss and many more have all invited and collaborated with Eminem, many of them asking him to produce their albums. Need anymore.

They may have collaborated with him, but no way has he taught them to rap

And Kid Rock is Rock music :lol:

And iirc 2Pac was dead long before Eminem came out.

Missy iirc (quite happy to be corrected here) was made big by Timbalands beats.

And have you seen Eminem live? Absolutly awful.

50 cent I'm sure I read somewhere was only supposed to have signed with Em to get to work with Dre, or was that The Game?

[Technonotice]

HertsBiker said:

ok, trying to fight my hatred of rap: can you please recomend some rap that I could listen to, that you think would persuade me that it is worthwhile. I promise to give it a serious go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW55FRXlPEs

IF I ruled The world - Nas

[DrTre]

HertsBiker said:

DrTre said:

HertsBiker said:

So tell me why rap is supposed to be recognised as a valid artform?
It sounds very repetative with rhyming based on a simplistic form..
Who is going to remember the lyrics in 40 years time? or even 20? or 10?

You do realise you're sounding exactly like the conservative moral majority sounded in the 50s and 60s when speaking of the Beatles and Stones etc?!

I know. Appalling. I've become my father! ok, sell me some rap. Go on, gimme a link and I'll listen. Honest!

Am glad this hasn't gone the way it could have!


Like I say in the edit above, you might (probably won't) like rap. TBH I can't pretend to knw much about it at all, but I do like Public Enemy...and Beastie Boys..Cypress Hill.. Dan le Sac and Scroobius Pip (white brit fellas, not got a clue in what regard they're held by the "people who know" but I lke them) I can empathise with you to a degree, an awful lot of it leaves me completely cold.

[Dan_1981]

Technonotice said:

HertsBiker said:

ok, trying to fight my hatred of rap: can you please recomend some rap that I could listen to, that you think would persuade me that it is worthwhile. I promise to give it a serious go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW55FRXlPEs

IF I ruled The world - Nas

good choice. I got into Nas after listening to Tupac. Inparticular his Makiaveli album which I think is superb and not a difficult route into rap. And this coming from a guy who is more at home at a metallica concert!

[chimera40]

Not "into" all Rap, I do though greatly appreciate the talent that has been displayed by a lot of these guys, Eminem in particular. The lyrics are in many cases extremely poetic and will IMHO be considered in the future as complete classics in much the same way as many Beatles, lyrics etc. If you take it as an evolution of expression, this form of writing is to today what Shakespeare et all where to their day. Just read the below as a poem.

Ahem.. excuse me!
Can I have the attention of the class for one second?


Hi kids! Do you like violence? (Yeah yeah yeah!)
Wanna see me stick Nine Inch Nails through each one of my eyelids? (Uh-huh!)
Wanna copy me and do exactly like I did? (Yeah yeah!)
Try 'cid and get fked up worse that my life is? (Huh?)
My brain's dead weight, I'm trying to get my head straight
But I can't figure out which Spice Girl I want to impregnate (Ummmm..)
And Dr. Dre said, "Slim Shady you a basehead!"
Uh-uhhh! "So why's your face red? Man you wasted!"
Well since age twelve, I've felt like I'm someone else
Cause I hung my original self from the top bunk with a belt
Got pissed off and ripped Pamela Lee's tits off
And smacked her so hard I knocked her clothes backwards like Kris Kross
I smoke a fat pound of grass and fall on my ass
Faster than a fat bh who sat down too fast
C'mere slut! (Shady, wait a minute, that's my girl dog!)
I don't give a fk, God sent me to piss the world off!



My English teacher wanted to flunk me in Junior High
Thanks a lot, next semester I'll be 35
I smacked him in his face with an eraser, chased him with a stapler
And stapled his nuts to a stack of papers (Owwwwwwww!)
Walked in the strip club, had my jacket zipped up
Flashed the bartender, then stuck my dick in the tip cup
Extraterrestrial, running over pedestrians
In a space ship while they screaming at me: "LET'S JUST BE FRIENDS!"
Ninety-nine percent of my life I was lied to
I just found out my mom does more dope than I do (Damn!)
I told her I'd grow up to be a famous rapper
Make a record about doing drugs and name it after her (Oh thank you!)
You know you blew up when the women rush your stands
And try to touch your hands like some screaming Usher fans (Aaahhhhhh!)
This guy at White Castle asked for my autograph
(Dude, can I get your autograph?)
So I signed it: 'Dear Dave, thanks for the support, ASSHOLE!'

Stop the tape! This kid needs to be locked away! (Get him!)
Dr. Dre, don't just stand there, OPERATE!
I'm not ready to leave, it's too scary to die (fk that!)
I'll have to be carried inside the cemetery and buried alive (Huh yup!)
Am I coming or going? I can barely decide
I just drank a fifth of vodka -- dare me to drive? (Go ahead)
All my life I was very deprived
I ain't had a woman in years, and my palms are too hairy to hide (Whoops!)
Clothes ripped like the Incredible Hulk (hachhh-too)
I spit when I talk, I'll fk anything that walks (C'mere)
When I was little I used to get so hungry I would throw fits
HOW YOU GONNA BREAST FEED ME MOM? (WAH!)
YOU AIN'T GOT NO TITS! (WAHHH!)
I lay awake and strap myself in the bed
Put a bulletproof vest on and shoot myself in the head (BANG!)
I'm steaming mad (Arrrggghhh!)
And by the way when you see my dad? (Yeah?)
Tell him that I slit his throat, in this dream I had

[Technonotice]

Dan_1981 said:

Technonotice said:

HertsBiker said:

ok, trying to fight my hatred of rap: can you please recomend some rap that I could listen to, that you think would persuade me that it is worthwhile. I promise to give it a serious go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW55FRXlPEs

IF I ruled The world - Nas

good choice. I got into Nas after listening to Tupac. Inparticular his Makiaveli album which I think is superb and not a difficult route into rap. And this coming from a guy who is more at home at a metallica concert!

How about Everlast?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vWhdz5svvQ