for fans of heavy music

[militantmandy]

Caught Meshuggah in glasgow there a couple of weeks back, epic stuff as usual. Animals As Leaders supporting. My pal I was with said they played virtually nothing of the older stuff. Have to say, I thought they were S**t. Very talented but hardly a riff to be heard. They could take a lesson from Blotted Science in how to combine uber-wk with some actual riffage. My mate reckoned the old stuff was a bit chunkier but have to say after the hype I was pretty disappointed.

On another note, have re-listened to Unto the Luocust a few more times. Probably better than I gave it credit for. Some really, really good moments, but let down by some really really bad ones. None the less, nice to hear some Pantera-esque riffage in this day and age.

[tuscaneer]

militantmandy said:

Caught Meshuggah in glasgow there a couple of weeks back, epic stuff as usual. Animals As Leaders supporting. My pal I was with said they played virtually nothing of the older stuff. Have to say, I thought they were S**t. Very talented but hardly a riff to be heard. They could take a lesson from Blotted Science in how to combine uber-wk with some actual riffage. My mate reckoned the old stuff was a bit chunkier but have to say after the hype I was pretty disappointed.

On another note, have re-listened to Unto the Luocust a few more times. Probably better than I gave it credit for. Some really, really good moments, but let down by some really really bad ones. None the less, nice to hear some Pantera-esque riffage in this day and age.

i think aal would be very challenging live.there is so much going on.i must have listened to weightless 20-30 times on a sthot stereo system drinking in everything and i still haven't absorbed it fully.full volume at a gig with all the distractions of alcohol and my chums would not be the ideal environment to get to grips with it all.on your own with a nice bottle of red and ideally on sennhieser headphones and a good few grands worth of separates is the way to do it.oh, and make sure you lock the kids and wife in the basement for the duration of your aural extravaganza!!we wouldn't want any annoying interruptions now would we??

[Gompo]

Struggling to quote as on my phone but did Chuck Schuldiner (Death guitarist/vocalist) just get called a dhead?

[tuscaneer]

yep!! can't stand those fking ridiculous juvenile utterances.completely ruined what was (musically) pretty spectacular at the time.

[Gompo]

I'd struggle to think of any person in Metal I'd call that... Possibly Dani 'Filth' but I am sure that's mostly a show.

[tuscaneer]

yeah,you know what i mean though..from my perspective the amount of good music that has been ruined by vocals designed to impress pre-pubescent boys is alarming.that and fking costumes and make up.god it's pathetic.

[AnimalMkIV]

Gompo said:

I'd struggle to think of any person in Metal I'd call that... Possibly Dani 'Filth' but I am sure that's mostly a show.

No, from people I've spoke to who have met/known/worked with him, he pretty much is.


In other news, if anyone is near Liverpool and in need of some brutality tonight, then The Lomax is the place to be:

Whiplash Promotions Presents...
PROSTITUTE DISFIGUREMENT
DESECRATION
CANCEROUS WOMB
BASEMENT TORTURE KILLINGS
Live at The Lomax, Liverpool
Doors 7:30
£12

http://whiplash4metal.bigcartel.com/product/prosti...

[tuscaneer]

we used to play tho old lomax regularly back in the 90's.cracking venue

[AnimalMkIV]

tuscaneer said:

we used to play tho old lomax regularly back in the 90's.cracking venue

Just don't go there tonight as it'll be full of growling dheads

[tuscaneer]

AnimalMkIV said:

tuscaneer said:

we used to play tho old lomax regularly back in the 90's.cracking venue

Just don't go there tonight as it'll be full of growling dheads

looking at the names of the bands there it's a pretty safe bet that my cup of tea it ain't!!

[tuscaneer]

AnimalMkIV said:

No, from people I've spoke to who have met/known/worked with him, he pretty much is.


In other news, if anyone is near Liverpool and in need of some brutality tonight, then The Lomax is the place to be:

Whiplash Promotions Presents...
PROSTITUTE DISFIGUREMENT
DESECRATION
CANCEROUS WOMB
BASEMENT TORTURE KILLINGS
Live at The Lomax, Liverpool
Doors 7:30
£12

http://whiplash4metal.bigcartel.com/product/prosti...

actually fella,looking at your scouse-centric posts are you local to me??born in two dogs and work in the city

[Swervin_Mervin]

tuscaneer said:

Swervin_Mervin said:

tuscaneer said:

Swervin_Mervin said:

After listening to the Skyharbor stuff a few times now I think it's a bit too over-involved for my tastes. Maybe I have a short attention span (doubt it as I love everything Tool have churned out) but after a few minutes of widdlying away I find myself getting bored. I think I might have come to the conclusion that Djent is not for me.

Or that it's ok in small doses!

witch!!! burn him!!

:lol:

It's funny isn't it how subtle differences can draw such different reactions? Of all the stuff posted on here, that posted by yourself is probably most similar to what I like. Arguably it's also down to yourself that I now have 3 Protest albums and Karnivool's first effort. But I think, having taken the time to properly sample a few bands, djent is a step too far for me.

[b]it's definately a weird one.vocals make or break most stuff for me which is ironic as i don't give a stuff about the singer or what he's prattling on about.vocals for me are about extrapolating backwards from the riffs.sewing up all the blocks and shifts of the other instruments.it's like there is a thousand melody line possibilities with the chord shifts and it's the singers job to find the most interesting route through it all.


that's why i find chino from deftones fascinating but the guy from chimaira a one trick pony.just barking away is missing out on so many melodic possibilities.and while i'm on the subject of barking that grinds my gears as well.

the more "real" hardcore end of things i'm ok with but some of the death/black stuff i just can't listen to because to my ears(i realize i'm in a minority in this thread)it sounds so contrived.the worst stuff is the dheads who put put an overly deep/gruff "look at how scary and hard i am...oooohhh!!" tilt on things(stuff like that bloke from death)

wheras the tesseract dude or the fella from uneven structure still scream and shout but it doesn't sound as daft.and also it is interspersed with melody lines.there seems to be reasoned methodical planning to everything rather than just monotone bbblluuurrrgghh!!

same goes for guitar players going down the lead line/ solo route.kerry king and jeff hanneman are both absolutely bks lead guitarists.it's just mindless twiddle whereas jeff beck or frank zappa can pull three notes out of a chord sequence and make me go...""fk!!!genius!" it's all about extentions of the chord shifts and melody lines[/b]


when it comes to djent the reason i love it so much is the rhythms.pure and simple.as a guitarist i always veered towards the bands like helmet ,downset and anything where the guitars had staccato groove to them.choke everything down with palm muting and get your chug on.....

like this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhJ6xpitT3k

or this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fninRnmVRHw

now,throw into the mix fked up time changes....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugio4fFSLFQ



and you can start to see where i'm coming from!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfOnq-zXXBw&fea...

^^^this stuff just hasn't quite got it's head on straight in terms of settled time signatures.and i'm obsessed!!(and it's full of stabby guitars/rhythms too!!)

Edited by tuscaneer on Friday 4th May 06:50

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[militantmandy]

AnimalMkIV said:

No, from people I've spoke to who have met/known/worked with him, he pretty much is.


In other news, if anyone is near Liverpool and in need of some brutality tonight, then The Lomax is the place to be:

Whiplash Promotions Presents...
PROSTITUTE DISFIGUREMENT
DESECRATION
CANCEROUS WOMB
BASEMENT TORTURE KILLINGS
Live at The Lomax, Liverpool
Doors 7:30
£12

http://whiplash4metal.bigcartel.com/product/prosti...

I'm pals with Mike of Edinburgh based Cancerous Womb. Well worth seeing.

[hornet]

tuscaneer said:

yep!! can't stand those fking ridiculous juvenile utterances.completely ruined what was (musically) pretty spectacular at the time.

Weird thing is, Death never really had the "Cookie Monster" vocals - you could always tell what Chuck was singing. Ditto Obituary and Autopsy. Even Repulsion's "Horrified" had fairly clean vocals, and that's (still) one of the most vicious records out there. Certain music suits harsh vocals, certain music doesn't IMO. The key for me is that they're REAL, in the sense they convey genuine feeling. Sylosis (to go back many, many pages) would be greatly enhanced if the current singer stopped doing the "constipation face" metalcore vocals and trusted his actual voice more. By the same token, the likes of Weedeater and Sourvein would sound hideously fake if T-roy or Dixie suddenly went clean and melodic. Just wouldn't work.

As for that gig listing - are Desecration still going?! Still got their "Gore and Perversion" demo somewhere, which was a little fuss maker when it first say the light of day. Ah, memories!

[tuscaneer]

do you know what, i've just jumped on you tube and listened to leprosy for the first time in decades and i'll grant you that on a sliding scale it is no where near as bad vocally as some abominations out there so probably wasn't the very best example of everything i hate in a metal singer!!.
still nowhere near where i'm at but hey, we've been keeping this very lively for 81 pages now and apart from the odd casualty we're all rubbing along without getting too pussyhurt!!

[AnimalMkIV]

tuscaneer said:

actually fella,looking at your scouse-centric posts are you local to me??born in two dogs and work in the city

Not quite, I'm in Preston, but do end up at quite a few gigs in Liverpool (either that or Sheffield way). I know the lads in Bludvera and they are definitely on the up, they've opened for the likes of Onslaught, Evile, Gama Bomb and Bonded By Blood. Saw there were a few old school thrashers posting, so thought I'd share the love.

militantmandy said:

I'm pals with Mike of Edinburgh based Cancerous Womb. Well worth seeing.

Yeah, seen 'em a few times and was badgering them on Facebook to learn some Star Wars tunes for tonight. Them, Cerebral Bore, Foetal Juice & Neuroma are all great new(ish) UKDM bands.

[james_gt3rs]

tuscaneer said:

do you know what, i've just jumped on you tube and listened to leprosy for the first time in decades and i'll grant you that on a sliding scale it is no where near as bad vocally as some abominations out there so probably wasn't the very best example of everything i hate in a metal singer!!.
still nowhere near where i'm at but hey, we've been keeping this very lively for 81 pages now and apart from the odd casualty we're all rubbing along without getting too pussyhurt!!

Leprosy is still pretty harsh to my ears... The best albums are Symbolic and Individual thought patterns, well worth any metal fan listening to those.

[hornet]

tuscaneer said:

do you know what, i've just jumped on you tube and listened to leprosy for the first time in decades and i'll grant you that on a sliding scale it is no where near as bad vocally as some abominations out there so probably wasn't the very best example of everything i hate in a metal singer!!.
still nowhere near where i'm at but hey, we've been keeping this very lively for 81 pages now and apart from the odd casualty we're all rubbing along without getting too pussyhurt!!

Christ, you've got me listening to Skyharbor, bits of Sylosis and even a teeny bits of Bulb, so least I can do is keep throwing all things grim, growled and necro at you to see if anything sticks.

Whatever happened to Asking Alexandria man I wonder?

[Gompo]

james_gt3rs said:

Leprosy is still pretty harsh to my ears... The best albums are Symbolic and Individual thought patterns, well worth any metal fan listening to those.

They're my three top Death albums as it happens, probably ITP>Leprosy>Symbolic.

Death - Crystal Mountain

Death - Trapped in a Corner

Edited by Gompo on Friday 4th May 18:26

[hornet]

AnimalMkIV said:

Yeah, seen 'em a few times and was badgering them on Facebook to learn some Star Wars tunes for tonight. Them, Cerebral Bore, Foetal Juice & Neuroma are all great new(ish) UKDM bands.

"Foetal Juice" has to be one of the silliest band names I think I've ever heard in all my years of liking bands with silly names. Not even German porno grind at its most tasteless can top that