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David-H said:
Our Renegade Trailhawk after a day out competing in a trial near Dunbar with the Scottish Off Road Club. My first time driving it off road properly and it proved very capable.
Cheers.
My wife has a brand new Renegade Trailhawk PHEV. In some ways we wish we had kept the old diesel one. We, unfortunately, hit the 21-22 model crossover so not the specification we were expecting.
No LED lights, the halogen ones are next to useless, both our two previous new Renegades had the Xenon upgrade specified.
No heated seats, not good with leather in Cumbria, currently exploring aftermarket options.
No heated steering wheel either.
Fuel tank rather small, restricts the range badly. My wife has a 120 mile commute when she needs to go to work. Add in the hotel/office round trips and it is pushing it to make it back since there is nowhere to recharge the batteries at a sensible price around Glasgow. Tank is only around 30 litres. Locally it is brilliant, achieves 25-30 miles before needing a recharge.
I have a spare set of Longitude wheels with all-terrain tyres on, will be swapping over soon.
PhillipM said:
That was up at some tracks near Pickering at the start of the year, great fun, although the car was fairly slow there as it was it's first outing since a rebuild and was understeer city.
Good laugh though, especially given the amount of 4wd cars that got stuck in the muddy stuff in the bottom of the forest when a little 2wd buggy managed to scrabble through it
Bit lower on the performance spec than yours there though, was only on low boost - 300bhp - and 900kg loaded up there.
Sounds awesome. Was it a play day or an event? We are always looking for places to hire for the Nomads - we did Sweet Lamb over summer, but Pickering is more local so would be interested to know where it is. ThanksGood laugh though, especially given the amount of 4wd cars that got stuck in the muddy stuff in the bottom of the forest when a little 2wd buggy managed to scrabble through it
Bit lower on the performance spec than yours there though, was only on low boost - 300bhp - and 900kg loaded up there.
GravelBen said:
ol said:
Mine. Not as off road competent as some on here, but a lot of fun (turbo converted, 380bhp / 700kg and switchable maps)
EB955374-4CC7-437F-8DB5-69EA15E3FF94 by Olly Olly, on Flickr
Untitled by Olly Olly, on Flickr
That looks like epic fun!EB955374-4CC7-437F-8DB5-69EA15E3FF94 by Olly Olly, on FlickrUntitled by Olly Olly, on Flickr
There is a build thread on here about it - search Pistonheads Ariel nomad turbo if you're interested
ol said:
Sounds awesome. Was it a play day or an event? We are always looking for places to hire for the Nomads - we did Sweet Lamb over summer, but Pickering is more local so would be interested to know where it is. Thanks
It was a race event - I don't know if they hire it out for play days there, I can try and find out. Tong do, over near Leeds, we're thinking about hiring theirs out for a shakedown in a few months.You'd have to stay in the quarry and on the fast tracks I think though, some of the grassland and lanes at pickering (and a few at Tong too), would be way too much for a Nomad:
Edited by PhillipM on Tuesday 6th December 15:08
PhillipM said:
ol said:
Sounds awesome. Was it a play day or an event? We are always looking for places to hire for the Nomads - we did Sweet Lamb over summer, but Pickering is more local so would be interested to know where it is. Thanks
It was a race event - I don't know if they hire it out for play days there, I can try and find out. Tong do, over near Leeds, we're thinking about hiring theirs out for a shakedown in a few months.You'd have to stay in the quarry and on the fast tracks I think though, some of the grassland and lanes at pickering (and a few at Tong too), would be way too much for a Nomad:
Thanks! Would love to know if you o manage to speak to them. Yeah I think that would be a rut to far for a nomad! The quarry and fast gravel tracks sound ideal though. Much appreciated
Edited by PhillipM on Tuesday 6th December 15:08
SimonH72 said:
My L322 3.6L TDV8, have owned it for just over 12 months after previously having a P38.
Absolutely love this car!
Interesting.Absolutely love this car!
Slightly off topic!
I have a very good 4.6 P38 which I am generally happy with. After driving a few more modern cars recently I realise that even though the P38 is a great car for what it is, I think I fancy a change. What do you think of the difference inbetween the two?
phazed said:
SimonH72 said:
My L322 3.6L TDV8, have owned it for just over 12 months after previously having a P38.
Absolutely love this car!
Interesting.Absolutely love this car!
Slightly off topic!
I have a very good 4.6 P38 which I am generally happy with. After driving a few more modern cars recently I realise that even though the P38 is a great car for what it is, I think I fancy a change. What do you think of the difference inbetween the two?
The L322 is similar in many ways, but very different in others.
There are 2 big changes for me with the latter model.
In an RRC/P38 you sit "on" them, rather than "in" them. Large glass house and low waste line. It makes them very airy inside.
The L322 has a much higher wasteline (sort of looks like a muffin top
) and you feel like you sit relatively lower inside the car. This IMO changes the persona, while it is still a Range Rover, the L322's often feel a lot more snug around the driver, darker and more car like. The interior design language also changed with the L322 being somewhat directed by BMW. And I'd say they do have a Germanic feel to the interior. Big high dash and door panels, massive centre console, etc and the majority of L322's have black/dark grey interiors.The next difference is the driving one. Being all independent suspension they drive very differently. But it isn't just the suspension, gone is the ladder chassis, gone is the steering box. This makes the L322 feel a lot more car like on the road.
For me I find this a negative. I want my 4x4's to "feel" and drive like a 4x4. The p38 was one of the very best visions of this (the new Ineos Grenadier likely very good too).
Dynamically the L322 should ride better (although it isn't revolutionary, just mildly better, the p38 does ride well). And the handling is more car like, so you'll have more grip and less mid corner movement if you hit a pot hole. To some extent I'd say the L322 feels more 'boaty', they drive like a large heavy estate car. Ultimately this means they will grip better than a p38 and would be faster round a race track. But they do massively miss out on the 4x4 feeling you get from the p38.
It really depends on what you want from the vehicle. Most seem to prefer the RR being more like a tall heavy estate car on the road instead of a traditional 4x4.
The best thing with the L322's are the engine choices. The 4.4 TDV8 probably cream of the crop. Although the 3.6 TDV8 isn't bad and most versions of the Jag V8, esp those with the supercharger, all offer performance way above that of the 4.6 P38.
Early L322's use the BMW 4.4 V8, which due to the L322 weighing quite a lot more than a p38 offers only marginal performance gains. The TD6 of early models is also underpowered and coupled to a gearbox that can't handle the torque and weight of the vehicle.
Off road the L322 is actually very capable. With the introduction of the Jag engines/infotainment you also get Terrain Response. Although do bear in mind the L322 is quite big off road and bigger than a p28 externally. So more prone to taking damage.
I've driven a number of L322's (and L405) RR's. Powerwise the latter engines are great. But that aside I prefer the interior styling of p38 and how a p38 drives.
Thanks for your response. All very interesting.
I don’t do a lot of miles now, so having reflected on the new cars that I have driven, (newer ) I think I was probably taken in by the shiny gizmos more than the sum of the parts.
I really do like my P38, and the fact that one rarely sees another on the road adds to its charm. It has never let me down in the four years that I have owned it and unless I am forced by the governments silly EV plans, then I will definitely keep it.
Gratuitous picture.
I don’t do a lot of miles now, so having reflected on the new cars that I have driven, (newer ) I think I was probably taken in by the shiny gizmos more than the sum of the parts.
I really do like my P38, and the fact that one rarely sees another on the road adds to its charm. It has never let me down in the four years that I have owned it and unless I am forced by the governments silly EV plans, then I will definitely keep it.
Gratuitous picture.
Sarge 4x4 said:
One of my toys on the Tuareg Rallye in March this year.
Edited by lerasjevin on Monday 10th April 05:03
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