Salisbury plain
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cks I was referring to. - Why do so many conversations involving driving off-road turn into a pBy "out beard" each other d'you mean try to ascertain lanes aren't being abused?
Put it like this, if someone was driving questionably on a (Tarmac) track day, would their jeopardising it for everyone else through their manner of driving be seen as ok?
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Put it like this, if someone was driving questionably on a (Tarmac) track day, would their jeopardising it for everyone else through their manner of driving be seen as ok?
(ETA: I give up
)Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 9th February 17:04
Crossflow Kid said:
By "out beard" each other d'you mean try to ascertain lanes aren't being abused?
Put it like this, if someone was driving questionably on a (Tarmac) track day, would their jeopardising it for everyone else through their manner of driving be seen as ok?
(ETA: I give up)
Please excuse my frustration but there really is no need for some of the childish comments and "point-scoring" (and I'm not just referring to you; don't take it personally).Put it like this, if someone was driving questionably on a (Tarmac) track day, would their jeopardising it for everyone else through their manner of driving be seen as ok?
(ETA: I give up
)Edited by Crossflow Kid on Sunday 9th February 17:04
I agree that all groups (including ramblers, horseriders & cyclists - NOT JUST 4x4 drivers and motorcyclists) should keep damage / disturbance to a minimum but some people go out of their way to be "offended" by vehicles in the countryside (I've seen your recent thread and agree with you).
I believe that in the UK we should have off-tarmac "trails" like the Americans, Australians etc. have and that allowing vehicles to leave their mark on a small percentage of routes does not constitute "destroying the countryside" (or any other neurotic drivel the do-gooders want to perpetuate).
I also believe that not having a sufficient amount of easy-to-access "places to go off-road" (and I don't mean Pay and Play sites) will lead to more and more illegal off-roading. - Just the same as if you don't have enough recreational parks / playing fields, you'll find people playing ball games, skateboarding etc. etc. where they're not legally permitted to.
As for Salisbury Plain: I've never been there so can't comment on whether I think the "impact" of 4x4 use there is acceptable but overall I think we need a bit of balance - I live near the Peak District and IMO what the whingers moaning about vehicle use there need is a swift kick up the backside. - Preferably by someone wearing steel toecaps.
Interesting little trundle out yesterday as part of the WCC/MoDDIO/Tread Lightly way-marking scheme.
Quite surprised at just how regulated the place is becoming, with fences around most of the danger areas now (for those too stupid to understand what the signs mean) and specific entry and exit points, simply to stop the aforementioned hard of thinking from wandering in to the danger areas.
Also a bit of a shame but inevitable really that more and more vehicular byways are now being shifted on to the gravel range roads, with vehicular rights being withdrawn from many of the original and therefore unsurfaced byways that run parallel, simply in order to prevent the rights of way being lost altogether. In effect, the routes are still open but the exact course of many byways is being altered slightly.
Quite surprised at just how regulated the place is becoming, with fences around most of the danger areas now (for those too stupid to understand what the signs mean) and specific entry and exit points, simply to stop the aforementioned hard of thinking from wandering in to the danger areas.
Also a bit of a shame but inevitable really that more and more vehicular byways are now being shifted on to the gravel range roads, with vehicular rights being withdrawn from many of the original and therefore unsurfaced byways that run parallel, simply in order to prevent the rights of way being lost altogether. In effect, the routes are still open but the exact course of many byways is being altered slightly.
Crossflow Kid said:
Interesting little trundle out yesterday as part of the WCC/MoDDIO/Tread Lightly way-marking scheme.
Quite surprised at just how regulated the place is becoming, with fences around most of the danger areas now (for those too stupid to understand what the signs mean) and specific entry and exit points, simply to stop the aforementioned hard of thinking from wandering in to the danger areas.
Also a bit of a shame but inevitable really that more and more vehicular byways are now being shifted on to the gravel range roads, with vehicular rights being withdrawn from many of the original and therefore unsurfaced byways that run parallel, simply in order to prevent the rights of way being lost altogether. In effect, the routes are still open but the exact course of many byways is being altered slightly.
Yup, its a sad state the way things are going - however it just reminds me to enjoy it whilst i canQuite surprised at just how regulated the place is becoming, with fences around most of the danger areas now (for those too stupid to understand what the signs mean) and specific entry and exit points, simply to stop the aforementioned hard of thinking from wandering in to the danger areas.
Also a bit of a shame but inevitable really that more and more vehicular byways are now being shifted on to the gravel range roads, with vehicular rights being withdrawn from many of the original and therefore unsurfaced byways that run parallel, simply in order to prevent the rights of way being lost altogether. In effect, the routes are still open but the exact course of many byways is being altered slightly.
I am a member of a very responsible 4x4 group and they take me out on really good days out on the plain - sad to see a lot of idiots just doing what they like.
Youtube has many videos of people just going where they like
The only routes that have been moved onto sustainable tracks are those that were drafting errors. Most of the old roads on the Plain would have original had a chalk or flint surface.
Waymarking was to make it clear for the user and the military to know where people are actually allowed to be.
However there maybe a move to shift more routes onto sustainable tracks because of the sheer overuse the area gets from the four wheel drive community, especially those that like playing in the mud.
Sensible use will keep the green roads open.
Waymarking was to make it clear for the user and the military to know where people are actually allowed to be.
However there maybe a move to shift more routes onto sustainable tracks because of the sheer overuse the area gets from the four wheel drive community, especially those that like playing in the mud.
Sensible use will keep the green roads open.
Imber Ranges are permanently closed to the public. The Imber perimeter path is open all year round but your not permitted to go onto the ranges or leave the path. http://www.imberchurch.org.uk/ publish via a news letter or on the Events section of the website when the MOD allow access to the Church and then you are only permitted to park in the village and visit the church & grounds. your not permitted to wander around the village itself or leave the concrete road. (access is usually via Warminster and the roads are well policed)
here are some numbers to keep handy too
Headquarters DTE SP
Westdown Camp, Tilshead, Salisbury, Wiltshire SP3 4RS
Telephone: 01980 620819
LIVE Firing Information line: 01980 674763
Headquarters Defence Training Estate
Land Warfare Centre, Warminster, Wiltshire BA12 0DJ
Telephone: 01985 222856
Any questions regarding access or Plain Closures, these are the people to contact.. or if your passing LarkHill, drop into the MOD Police station, they are always happy to advise (and point out where you can get muddy
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Headquarters DTE SP
Westdown Camp, Tilshead, Salisbury, Wiltshire SP3 4RS
Telephone: 01980 620819
LIVE Firing Information line: 01980 674763
Headquarters Defence Training Estate
Land Warfare Centre, Warminster, Wiltshire BA12 0DJ
Telephone: 01985 222856
Any questions regarding access or Plain Closures, these are the people to contact.. or if your passing LarkHill, drop into the MOD Police station, they are always happy to advise (and point out where you can get muddy
...)MoD have responsibility for access and/or restrictions to range areas and information regarding any range activities.
The actual Rights of Way across them are the remit of Wilts County Council. Try speaking to them?
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The actual Rights of Way across them are the remit of Wilts County Council. Try speaking to them?
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