Ok, so I have narrowed it down to these vehicles. What now?
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pcn1 said:
At the end of the day your not going to tick "every box" on your want list.
They all have pro's and con's.
The thing that will sway it, is are you really going to spend much time off road or will the fact be you'll be driving on the tarmac 99.9% of the time ?
In which case get the 4x4 with the "better" road manners and creature comforts!
What do you suggest? Keeping in mind it needs 4 doors, manual transmission, be built like a tank, be high and can be no truck, minivan, crossover or the like. It needs to be a SUV.They all have pro's and con's.
The thing that will sway it, is are you really going to spend much time off road or will the fact be you'll be driving on the tarmac 99.9% of the time ?
In which case get the 4x4 with the "better" road manners and creature comforts!
J4x4K said:
pcn1 said:
At the end of the day your not going to tick "every box" on your want list.
They all have pro's and con's.
The thing that will sway it, is are you really going to spend much time off road or will the fact be you'll be driving on the tarmac 99.9% of the time ?
In which case get the 4x4 with the "better" road manners and creature comforts!
What do you suggest? Keeping in mind it needs 4 doors, manual transmission, be built like a tank, be high and can be no truck, minivan, crossover or the like. It needs to be a SUV.They all have pro's and con's.
The thing that will sway it, is are you really going to spend much time off road or will the fact be you'll be driving on the tarmac 99.9% of the time ?
In which case get the 4x4 with the "better" road manners and creature comforts!
oh man :/
Efbe said:
J4x4K said:
pcn1 said:
At the end of the day your not going to tick "every box" on your want list.
They all have pro's and con's.
The thing that will sway it, is are you really going to spend much time off road or will the fact be you'll be driving on the tarmac 99.9% of the time ?
In which case get the 4x4 with the "better" road manners and creature comforts!
What do you suggest? Keeping in mind it needs 4 doors, manual transmission, be built like a tank, be high and can be no truck, minivan, crossover or the like. It needs to be a SUV.They all have pro's and con's.
The thing that will sway it, is are you really going to spend much time off road or will the fact be you'll be driving on the tarmac 99.9% of the time ?
In which case get the 4x4 with the "better" road manners and creature comforts!
oh man :/
He said:
pcn1 said:
In which case get the 4x4 with the "better" road manners and creature comforts!
So when he says to get the 4x4 with the better road manners and I ask him to suggest one, I'm obviously asking him to suggest a 4x4. I don't have to list it as a prerequisite again as it's pretty obvious by the context and that he mentions 4x4 in his sentence. Simple English really. So it's a given it needs to be a 4x4. So, let me clarify for you one last time. This is the 4x4 forum, we have been talking about 4x4 from the beginning and he said to get a 4x4 with the best road manners and I asked him to suggest one. Capish? Entiendes? Verstanden? Comprenez? Capire? Where or how did you get I don't want a 4x4?there is a fourth option
look for a Landcruiser J100 GX- its actually a 105 series. (In the UK serach on ebay for landcruiser GS/GX).
These are the "base" model 100 series- they have a solid front axle (sometimes with a locker), cloth seats, and are very very strong. They are basically an uprated 80 series with a little more modernity. They all come with cloth seats and basic spec. They are unloved in the UK as they aren't "luxury", but they sound just like what you want.
This is the model to look for : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toyota-Land-Cruiser-Amaz...
you can also get auto versions which would be very nice!
look for a Landcruiser J100 GX- its actually a 105 series. (In the UK serach on ebay for landcruiser GS/GX).
These are the "base" model 100 series- they have a solid front axle (sometimes with a locker), cloth seats, and are very very strong. They are basically an uprated 80 series with a little more modernity. They all come with cloth seats and basic spec. They are unloved in the UK as they aren't "luxury", but they sound just like what you want.
This is the model to look for : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toyota-Land-Cruiser-Amaz...
you can also get auto versions which would be very nice!
J4x4K said:
pcn1 said:
At the end of the day your not going to tick "every box" on your want list.
They all have pro's and con's.
The thing that will sway it, is are you really going to spend much time off road or will the fact be you'll be driving on the tarmac 99.9% of the time ?
In which case get the 4x4 with the "better" road manners and creature comforts!
What do you suggest? Keeping in mind it needs 4 doors, manual transmission, be built like a tank, be high and can be no truck, minivan, crossover or the like. It needs to be a SUV.They all have pro's and con's.
The thing that will sway it, is are you really going to spend much time off road or will the fact be you'll be driving on the tarmac 99.9% of the time ?
In which case get the 4x4 with the "better" road manners and creature comforts!
The other guys here know far more about 4x4's than me, I've only had the WJ Grand Cherokee. Is that the perfect 4x4 ? No its not, but it does most things I want of it for the money I had to spend.
My mate has just treated himself to a late model Defender. Looks the business but I've not been in it yet. Suspect it doesn't have electrically adjusted, heated seats like my Grand tho !!
Edited by pcn1 on Friday 22 May 12:23
PugwasHDJ80 said:
there is a fourth option
look for a Landcruiser J100 GX- its actually a 105 series. (In the UK serach on ebay for landcruiser GS/GX).
These are the "base" model 100 series- they have a solid front axle (sometimes with a locker), cloth seats, and are very very strong. They are basically an uprated 80 series with a little more modernity. They all come with cloth seats and basic spec. They are unloved in the UK as they aren't "luxury", but they sound just like what you want.
This is the model to look for : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toyota-Land-Cruiser-Amaz...
you can also get auto versions which would be very nice!
Hi,look for a Landcruiser J100 GX- its actually a 105 series. (In the UK serach on ebay for landcruiser GS/GX).
These are the "base" model 100 series- they have a solid front axle (sometimes with a locker), cloth seats, and are very very strong. They are basically an uprated 80 series with a little more modernity. They all come with cloth seats and basic spec. They are unloved in the UK as they aren't "luxury", but they sound just like what you want.
This is the model to look for : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toyota-Land-Cruiser-Amaz...
you can also get auto versions which would be very nice!
I'm confused. The link you posted is just a normal J100, which is the next generation after the J80, right? Or the special thing about these specific ones is that they are basic?
Because there are certainly J100 in luxury trims with leather seats etc. Or do you mean the luxury models do not have things like the solid front axle, locker etc? I'm just trying to see the meaning of your particular suggestion apart from just any J100.
Although those J100, along with the Prados are uglier than a wet dog. But the car itself, built quality, reliability etc is more important than looks. But I'm trying to see what one of these J100 would get me that a Patrol Y61 wouldn't.
But thanks for the suggestion and I will look into it. Appreciated.
pcn1 said:
Like I said I don't think you'll tick every box. Life, and car buying is sometimes, or mostly a compromise.
The other guys here know far more about 4x4's than me, I've only had the WJ Grand Cherokee. Is that the perfect 4x4 ? No its not, but it does most things I want of it for the money I had to spend.
My mate has just treated himself to a late model Defender. Looks the business but I've not been in it yet. Suspect it doesn't have electrically adjusted, heated seats like my Grand tho !!
Ok. Got you. The other guys here know far more about 4x4's than me, I've only had the WJ Grand Cherokee. Is that the perfect 4x4 ? No its not, but it does most things I want of it for the money I had to spend.
My mate has just treated himself to a late model Defender. Looks the business but I've not been in it yet. Suspect it doesn't have electrically adjusted, heated seats like my Grand tho !!
Edited by pcn1 on Friday 22 May 12:23
The Grand Cherokee definitely is more comfortable than the Defender. I recently test drove both back to back and there is no comparison there. The Defender is something that Captain Caveman would drive and be happy. It's stuck in the past. Like the first half of the 20th century past. As a daily driver it's useless unless all it's important to you is to look cool while you drive. Rough is not even the word. Uncomfortable doesn't start to describe it. It is really tractor. My conclusion after driving it is that it's a specialty vehicle. Made for of roading and nothing else. I'm sure there are folks that use it as a daily driver. But if you have a family, forget it as a daily driver. Not worth it.
PugwasHDJ80 said:
there is a fourth option
look for a Landcruiser J100 GX- its actually a 105 series. (In the UK serach on ebay for landcruiser GS/GX).
These are the "base" model 100 series- they have a solid front axle (sometimes with a locker), cloth seats, and are very very strong. They are basically an uprated 80 series with a little more modernity. They all come with cloth seats and basic spec. They are unloved in the UK as they aren't "luxury", but they sound just like what you want.
This is the model to look for : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toyota-Land-Cruiser-Amaz...
you can also get auto versions which would be very nice!
OK, I think I understand what you meant now. I researched about the 105 series and it indeed sounds better than the 100 series and like you said, underneath is basically an updated 80 series, only newer. But wikipedia says the 105 series was only sold in Africa, Asia, Australia, Middle East, South America. Not in Europe or UK.look for a Landcruiser J100 GX- its actually a 105 series. (In the UK serach on ebay for landcruiser GS/GX).
These are the "base" model 100 series- they have a solid front axle (sometimes with a locker), cloth seats, and are very very strong. They are basically an uprated 80 series with a little more modernity. They all come with cloth seats and basic spec. They are unloved in the UK as they aren't "luxury", but they sound just like what you want.
This is the model to look for : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toyota-Land-Cruiser-Amaz...
you can also get auto versions which would be very nice!
Are you sure the one in the ebay link you gave is a 105 series? It looks like a 100 series. According to wikipedia again, the 105 series came with dished wheels instead of the normal 100 series wheels which the one on ebay has. I know wikipedia is not that reliable but was the only info I found.
After all this discussion I suggest you go join a 4x4 club and get some real world advice before you "buy" your do it all vehicle.
IMO "do it alls" doesn't do anything well.
Manual over auto?
Suggest you go do a soft sand run or hill climb.
Honestly go join a club & learn before you become stuck & clueless.
IMO "do it alls" doesn't do anything well.
Manual over auto?
Suggest you go do a soft sand run or hill climb.
Honestly go join a club & learn before you become stuck & clueless.
TI4500 said:
After all this discussion I suggest you go join a 4x4 club and get some real world advice before you "buy" your do it all vehicle.
IMO "do it alls" doesn't do anything well.
Manual over auto?
Suggest you go do a soft sand run or hill climb.
Honestly go join a club & learn before you become stuck & clueless.
Good advice and I will definitely join a local club. IMO "do it alls" doesn't do anything well.
Manual over auto?
Suggest you go do a soft sand run or hill climb.
Honestly go join a club & learn before you become stuck & clueless.
But I had a Niva and used to off road all the time and it was a manual transmission. Same thing with my buddy's Wrangler. We never had any problems. I hate auto transmissions. Maybe I will get an auto car when I'm old and retired.
J4x4K said:
TI4500 said:
After all this discussion I suggest you go join a 4x4 club and get some real world advice before you "buy" your do it all vehicle.
IMO "do it alls" doesn't do anything well.
Manual over auto?
Suggest you go do a soft sand run or hill climb.
Honestly go join a club & learn before you become stuck & clueless.
Good advice and I will definitely join a local club. IMO "do it alls" doesn't do anything well.
Manual over auto?
Suggest you go do a soft sand run or hill climb.
Honestly go join a club & learn before you become stuck & clueless.
But I had a Niva and used to off road all the time and it was a manual transmission. Same thing with my buddy's Wrangler. We never had any problems. I hate auto transmissions. Maybe I will get an auto car when I'm old and retired.
1. You can change down under full power whilst hill climbing
2. they are more controllable at slow speed- you can use the accelerator to give a lot of power and the left foot to control speed very accurately
3. they create more effective torque through the torque converter
4. You can slip into reverse on very steep slopes (not for the faint hearted but very very effective)
5. You can transit from drive to revers very very quickly
6. the clutch never slips
7. in very technical sections you have less to think about- no clutch or gear selection worries
Disadvantages:
1. Poor engine braking on very steep downhill sections
2. often only 4 forward gears
3. Don't really work well with low powered engines- too much transmission loss
I moved to autos whilst offroading about 10 years ago and would never go back to manual out of choice.
PugwasHDJ80 said:
J4x4K said:
TI4500 said:
After all this discussion I suggest you go join a 4x4 club and get some real world advice before you "buy" your do it all vehicle.
IMO "do it alls" doesn't do anything well.
Manual over auto?
Suggest you go do a soft sand run or hill climb.
Honestly go join a club & learn before you become stuck & clueless.
Good advice and I will definitely join a local club. IMO "do it alls" doesn't do anything well.
Manual over auto?
Suggest you go do a soft sand run or hill climb.
Honestly go join a club & learn before you become stuck & clueless.
But I had a Niva and used to off road all the time and it was a manual transmission. Same thing with my buddy's Wrangler. We never had any problems. I hate auto transmissions. Maybe I will get an auto car when I'm old and retired.
1. You can change down under full power whilst hill climbing
2. they are more controllable at slow speed- you can use the accelerator to give a lot of power and the left foot to control speed very accurately
3. they create more effective torque through the torque converter
4. You can slip into reverse on very steep slopes (not for the faint hearted but very very effective)
5. You can transit from drive to revers very very quickly
6. the clutch never slips
7. in very technical sections you have less to think about- no clutch or gear selection worries
Disadvantages:
1. Poor engine braking on very steep downhill sections
2. often only 4 forward gears
3. Don't really work well with low powered engines- too much transmission loss
I moved to autos whilst offroading about 10 years ago and would never go back to manual out of choice.
But it makes you wonder how people did before all this technology. Reminds me of a conversation I was having about how modern race drivers like Lewis Hamilton would probably be totally lost and suck in a 70's or 80's Formula 1 car where he would actually have to do all the work without the help of the computers and being 100% linked to the boxes. Where he would even have to actually properly shift and clutch. Makes you admire even more the skills of guys like Hunt, Fittipaldi, Lauda, Piquet, Prost, Senna etc.
So it's not a matter of making it easier. For me it's a matter of keeping it real.
Not to mention the disadvantages are pretty off putting as well.
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