Which Pick Up Truck
Discussion
Well, there's a reason ISIS use the Toyota Hilux 
But even for less nefarious purposes, the Hilux is king of the Middle East, which seems to support the notion that for folk who need a car that works in arduous conditions (not just for show etc), Toyota takes the biscuit.
By way of comparison, my F150 seems to struggle out here; something is always going wrong.
But even for less nefarious purposes, the Hilux is king of the Middle East, which seems to support the notion that for folk who need a car that works in arduous conditions (not just for show etc), Toyota takes the biscuit.
By way of comparison, my F150 seems to struggle out here; something is always going wrong.
Test drove the 3.2 Ranger Wildtrack (auto) the other day, and I'm caught in 2 minds now. The interior was absolutely fine, plenty of space, the switchgear seamed robust enough, lots of comfort-enhancing features to make life in the drivers' seat pleasurable....but..... my god, that engine is as rough as a badgers arse. Noisy, clattery, it felt gutless when accellerating from 40-70 on the motorway.... even the salesman couldn't bring himself to try and bulls
t me out of my disappointment when we returned to the showroom.
t me out of my disappointment when we returned to the showroom.I had a 2.5l Ranger manual from new to 50k.
Absolutely loved it. The handling was incredible (for a truck).
Can't think of any criticisms.
Amarok on 9k.
Love the 8speed and the traction system.
The reversing light is useless.
Also pulling trailers that weigh more than the tow vehicle is nerve wracking and I would load tbe pick up with bags of sand or something to give you ballast.
Absolutely loved it. The handling was incredible (for a truck).
Can't think of any criticisms.
Amarok on 9k.
Love the 8speed and the traction system.
The reversing light is useless.
Also pulling trailers that weigh more than the tow vehicle is nerve wracking and I would load tbe pick up with bags of sand or something to give you ballast.
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
I had a hilux for years, I sold it with about 150k on the clock. I (only slightly jokingly) say you have a binary choice; buy a hilux or buy the wrong truck.
They've always worked for me but people will always tell you how the others are better ,then about dislikes and problems with brand xyand z.. 15 plate hilux now with a new one on order
Edited by powerstroke on Monday 4th April 08:33
powerstroke said:
They've always worked for me but people will always tell you how the others are better ,then about dislikes and problems with brand xyand z.. 15 plate hilux now with a new one on order
Definately Hilux all the way.....I`ve heard Toyota UK are only selling the new 2.4d to start with and then the 2.8d in 2017Edited by powerstroke on Monday 4th April 08:33
diesel piston said:
powerstroke said:
They've always worked for me but people will always tell you how the others are better ,then about dislikes and problems with brand xyand z.. 15 plate hilux now with a new one on order
Definately Hilux all the way.....I`ve heard Toyota UK are only selling the new 2.4d to start with and then the 2.8d in 2017Edited by powerstroke on Monday 4th April 08:33
normalbloke said:
Aren't they already obsolete?
Yet don't use leaf packs like most Jap trucks. Are far more durable long term. Ride better, handle better, aren't cheap nasty plastic inside, tow better and much better off road. Funny how progress with Jap trucks actually seems to be a backwards step.
300bhp/ton said:
Yet don't use leaf packs like most Jap trucks that are a good compromise for something that carrys a payload , were far more maintanace intensive long term. Ride better, but handle like a wobbly jelly, cheap nasty plastic inside, tow ok and better off road until something in the drive train fails.
Funny how progress with Jap trucks actually seems to be a backwards step.
Not sure if serious??? EFA???Funny how progress with Jap trucks actually seems to be a backwards step.
powerstroke said:
Not sure if serious??? EFA???
Very serious.A Defender may be an old model and have very high labour costs to build (which is why they've stopped producing it). And it was built to be a utility vehicle. But it's basic design, architecture, construction and abilities are still very very good.
I know some Jap trucks have only just started to move on, but most of them look like this:
Which is essentially the same setup you'd find on a 1948 Series 1 Land Rover.
powerstroke said:
300bhp/ton said:
Yet don't use leaf packs like most Jap trucks that are a good compromise for something that carrys a payload , were far more maintanace intensive long term. Ride better, but handle like a wobbly jelly, cheap nasty plastic inside, tow ok and better off road until something in the drive train fails.
Funny how progress with Jap trucks actually seems to be a backwards step.
Not sure if serious??? EFA???Funny how progress with Jap trucks actually seems to be a backwards step.
I look forward to your usual LR is superior in every aspect response!
normalbloke said:
Agreed, no thanks. I appreciate you're a LR fanboy
Not especially. And they certainly can have issues too.normalbloke said:
The Defender products are an absolutely terrible place to be if you have any miles to cover, and want any semblance of comfort,room,
Personally I've always found Defenders very comfortable places to sit. I much prefer their proper 4x4 seating position over the weird laydown seating in many of the Jap trucks. Just doesn't feel right in a 4x4.normalbloke said:
creature comforts
Which creature comforts exactly? Apart from the omission of an auto box from the factor (available in the aftermarket however), a modern Defender has pretty much the same creature comforts as any of the Jap trucks. Can you cite any that aren't available on the Defender?normalbloke said:
or handling. I have no idea where you get your opinion of the handling of a Defender being superior against one of the newer double cabs that has a proper steering rack.
I'm willing to bet that you couldn't tell a steering box from a rack just by sitting behind the steering wheel. In fact I suspect most people couldn't. I certainly couldn't.Remember a Range Rover, Discovery including D2 and p38a Range Rovers all use the same basic chassis setup, axles, suspension design and steering as a Defender. And most people would say a Range Rover p38a or D2 is a dam site nicer on the road and handles better than any Jap pick up truck. There is just some stigma that people seem to think, just because it's a Defender, then it'll perform differently.
The short wheelbase of a 90 will make it pitch more over roads, but that it is the same for any short wheel base vehicle. But the ride and handling of the vehicle are actually arguably better than Range Rover's or Discovery's, because the Defender weighs less and has a lighter body.
normalbloke said:
Any 4x4 that is sold for the UK road will be a compromise in some department or another, and the lack of crash worthiness alone is enough for me to walk away form many, especially the Defender stuff.
I look forward to your usual LR is superior in every aspect response!
I have actually have nothing against any of the Jap trucks. But lets face it, if this was in General Gassing and someone was trying to claim a leaf sprung saloon car rode and handled better than a coil sprung one, people would piss themselves laughing.I look forward to your usual LR is superior in every aspect response!
A major roll over at high speed in a Defender might not be advised, but the Department for Transport seems to rate them fairly well.
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