Why don't Toyota sell these here?
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HustleRussell said:
powerstroke said:
plasticpig said:
HustleRussell said:
Navaro?
Defender?
Freelander?
Discovery Sport?
I don’t think any of these are in the same class as the 4-Runner. The 4-Runner is probably for oil states and Australia. We don’t really have anything like the 4-Runner here.
The 4-Runner is primarily designed for and sold in the USA. Defender?
Freelander?
Discovery Sport?
I don’t think any of these are in the same class as the 4-Runner. The 4-Runner is probably for oil states and Australia. We don’t really have anything like the 4-Runner here.
Mansells Tash said:
300bhp/ton said:
HustleRussell said:
I'm glad it's not here, last thing we need is bigger vehicles on the roads.
What a completely daft thing to say.Pesty said:
Perhaps because there is little choice there is the wrangler and ?
How many shogun buyers would buy something a little more capable?
Range Rover? I drove one for half a day at LR Solihull on their off roading course, just as capable as the Defender I drove in the afternoon but way more comfortable. The Range Rover pretty much drove itself over large obstacles up and down hill. How many shogun buyers would buy something a little more capable?
tankplanker said:
ange Rover? I drove one for half a day at LR Solihull on their off roading course, just as capable as the Defender I drove in the afternoon but way more comfortable. The Range Rover pretty much drove itself over large obstacles up and down hill.
Range Rover's are ok, but have you seen the prices?1. Not really the same sort of ballpark
2. Spending that much on one, how many in the UK do you think will actually use it off road?
And don't let the LR experience days fool you. There test courses are designed to 'flatter' the vehicles. Not get them stuck. And they are all high grip surfaces with hard core bases hiding under the water and small amount of mud. Hence why you can trundle round on normal road tyres no problem.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the ability from a technical stand point. The Terrain Response is ver good, but doesn't really do anything hugely extra that can't be done with just an off road biased TCS system or diff lockers. And the Independent suspension, while impressive will never be a match for live axles off road. They don't have the travel, behaviour or flex. So such vehicles will always be at more risk of lifting a wheel.
And more importantly the Range Rover just doesn't have the same approach, departure and breakover angles of a Defender (especially D90). And the big plastic bumpers and large exposed sills make the RR hugely vulnerable.
On a Land Rover promotional test course they may appear pretty equal. For real off roading I suspect the Defender is probably half as good again or more and will suffer way less or no damage. Whereas you could end up causing £0000's of damage to a new RR.
300bhp/ton said:
Maybe your 5 Series BMW is too big as well. Why don't you have a 1 Series FFS... 
‘Capability’ is a word which has been used heavily in this thread. So few buy these monstrosities for their ‘capabilities’, even if they claim to. I think (and hope) that number is so insignificant that there is no commercial case for officially importing them.I’m not a communist but I basically think we have enough monstrosities as it is, most of which have been purchased for the purposes of prevailing fashion, vanity and one-upmanship. Some have been purchased on the selfish and often misguided notion that they are necessary for safety, particularly of children.
If you’re one of the few who ‘need’ this vehicle for its ‘capabilities’, bully for you- fortunately for me I suspect you don’t live in the South East so I don’t have to look at it.
I’m not sure if you’ve seen an E34 BMW estate like mine recently but they don’t look big these days. Nonetheless mine can often be seen with a bootful of tools and tyres and a 1,300kg trailer on the back. I bought it for it’s capabilities.
There is no diesel 4runner. There was is demand but not at an inflated price as with the baby duramax and RAM ecodiesel.
We have a 4runner in the family and it is extremely reliable. Depreciation on the 4runner and Tacoma's are very low.
For 2017 they have stopped the desert tan color which IMO looks awesome.
We have a 4runner in the family and it is extremely reliable. Depreciation on the 4runner and Tacoma's are very low.
For 2017 they have stopped the desert tan color which IMO looks awesome.
Edited by 5ohmustang on Thursday 29th September 06:26
HustleRussell said:
300bhp/ton said:
Maybe your 5 Series BMW is too big as well. Why don't you have a 1 Series FFS...
‘Capability’ is a word which has been used heavily in this thread. So few buy these monstrosities for their ‘capabilities’, even if they claim to. I think (and hope) that number is so insignificant that there is no commercial case for officially importing them.I’m not a communist but I basically think we have enough monstrosities as it is, most of which have been purchased for the purposes of prevailing fashion, vanity and one-upmanship. Some have been purchased on the selfish and often misguided notion that they are necessary for safety, particularly of children.
If you’re one of the few who ‘need’ this vehicle for its ‘capabilities’, bully for you- fortunately for me I suspect you don’t live in the South East so I don’t have to look at it.
I’m not sure if you’ve seen an E34 BMW estate like mine recently but they don’t look big these days. Nonetheless mine can often be seen with a bootful of tools and tyres and a 1,300kg trailer on the back. I bought it for it’s capabilities.
... let them crack on it creates jobs ....
probably look ok in the flesh.Mind you there is the additional risk with one in that desert tan colour, put a few auxiliary lights on it and very quickly there would one of the "they think they're such comedians" assholes over on the Misfits-Dads army thread trying to make out you're some Walt trying to pretend you're in the SAS.
HustleRussell said:
‘Capability’ is a word which has been used heavily in this thread. So few buy these monstrosities for their ‘capabilities’, even if they claim to. I think (and hope) that number is so insignificant that there is no commercial case for officially importing them.
I’m not a communist but I basically think we have enough monstrosities as it is, most of which have been purchased for the purposes of prevailing fashion, vanity and one-upmanship. Some have been purchased on the selfish and often misguided notion that they are necessary for safety, particularly of children.
If you’re one of the few who ‘need’ this vehicle for its ‘capabilities’, bully for you- fortunately for me I suspect you don’t live in the South East so I don’t have to look at it.
I’m not sure if you’ve seen an E34 BMW estate like mine recently but they don’t look big these days. Nonetheless mine can often be seen with a bootful of tools and tyres and a 1,300kg trailer on the back. I bought it for it’s capabilities.
Capability is an odd word to use. Lets face it, anyone who owns a Caterham, Ferrari or similar will not legally use their capability on the public roads. And they serve no practical purpose what so ever. They are complete and utter toys.I’m not a communist but I basically think we have enough monstrosities as it is, most of which have been purchased for the purposes of prevailing fashion, vanity and one-upmanship. Some have been purchased on the selfish and often misguided notion that they are necessary for safety, particularly of children.
If you’re one of the few who ‘need’ this vehicle for its ‘capabilities’, bully for you- fortunately for me I suspect you don’t live in the South East so I don’t have to look at it.
I’m not sure if you’ve seen an E34 BMW estate like mine recently but they don’t look big these days. Nonetheless mine can often be seen with a bootful of tools and tyres and a 1,300kg trailer on the back. I bought it for it’s capabilities.
Meaning everyone of them takes up space on the road unneeded.
And when the roads are big enough for lorries, vans, trucks, buses and all manor of other things, any 4x4 SUV is small by comparison.
And yes, I do live in the SE and yes I do make use of a 4x4's capabilities thank you.
Oh and while you are moaning about the size of the 4Runner. It's very interesting to note your BMW is almost as long as it.
Just over half a handspan in it.
300bhp/ton said:
HustleRussell said:
‘Capability’ is a word which has been used heavily in this thread. So few buy these monstrosities for their ‘capabilities’, even if they claim to. I think (and hope) that number is so insignificant that there is no commercial case for officially importing them.
I’m not a communist but I basically think we have enough monstrosities as it is, most of which have been purchased for the purposes of prevailing fashion, vanity and one-upmanship. Some have been purchased on the selfish and often misguided notion that they are necessary for safety, particularly of children.
If you’re one of the few who ‘need’ this vehicle for its ‘capabilities’, bully for you- fortunately for me I suspect you don’t live in the South East so I don’t have to look at it.
I’m not sure if you’ve seen an E34 BMW estate like mine recently but they don’t look big these days. Nonetheless mine can often be seen with a bootful of tools and tyres and a 1,300kg trailer on the back. I bought it for it’s capabilities.
Capability is an odd word to use. Lets face it, anyone who owns a Caterham, Ferrari or similar will not legally use their capability on the public roads. And they serve no practical purpose what so ever. They are complete and utter toys.I’m not a communist but I basically think we have enough monstrosities as it is, most of which have been purchased for the purposes of prevailing fashion, vanity and one-upmanship. Some have been purchased on the selfish and often misguided notion that they are necessary for safety, particularly of children.
If you’re one of the few who ‘need’ this vehicle for its ‘capabilities’, bully for you- fortunately for me I suspect you don’t live in the South East so I don’t have to look at it.
I’m not sure if you’ve seen an E34 BMW estate like mine recently but they don’t look big these days. Nonetheless mine can often be seen with a bootful of tools and tyres and a 1,300kg trailer on the back. I bought it for it’s capabilities.
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