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Shoestringracer
Original Poster
885 posts
68 months
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Hello,
I've read the blue book (on line) and it says "FIA 8856-2000 or FIA 1986" which I can't find on my Proban suit so I'm thinking I'll need a new suit? Is this right? I know that the MSA have been threaterning this for a while but I'm just surprised that some of the specialists are still promoting £100 Proban suits as suitable and I haven't seen more people moaning!
Assuming I do need a new suit anyone found a good deal?
Thanks
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Trev450
2,385 posts
41 months
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Yes suits need to be FIA approved now.
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Shaun_E
660 posts
129 months
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Dan Friel
903 posts
147 months
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As above, check eBay for bargains. I recently bought an unused AWS suit (to current FIA regs) for a little over £100. The original sale ticket was still on it..
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Fantuzzi
1,428 posts
15 months
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Shaun_E said: Im guessing from their username, they will fo with the 2nd hand option...
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gtijohn70
13 posts
16 months
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Why not go direct racelidz on www.plays-kool.co.uk, I've seen their 3 layer suit which is to Fia 8856-2000 standard..... and they're not bad at all for the money.
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Shoestringracer
Original Poster
885 posts
68 months
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Fantuzzi said: Im guessing from their username, they will fo with the 2nd hand option... As it happens I'm thinking of changing my username as "Shoestring" is missleading but I don't think "Spends money as required just chose a fairly economic form of motorsport and a farily cheap to look after car as I have several other expensive hobbies racer" would fit! The shoestring part came from my website where I was proving that motorsport neededent be ruinous by keeping a tally of cost. It was also useful for the angle I was taking with magazine articals I was writing at the time which were focused on grassroot sport. As far as the suit goes I will definately buy new as it is just so much easier and for a couple of hundred quid I can't see the point in trawing ebay. Also second hand clothing... bit yuck.
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Fantuzzi
1,428 posts
15 months
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Shoestringracer said: As it happens I'm thinking of changing my username as "Shoestring" is missleading but I don't think "Spends money as required just chose a fairly economic form of motorsport and a farily cheap to look after car as I have several other expensive hobbies racer" would fit! The shoestring part came from my website where I was proving that motorsport neededent be ruinous by keeping a tally of cost. It was also useful for the angle I was taking with magazine articals I was writing at the time which were focused on grassroot sport. As far as the suit goes I will definately buy new as it is just so much easier and for a couple of hundred quid I can't see the point in trawing ebay.
Also second hand clothing... bit yuck. Only joking . Yeah I agree 2nd hand stuff is not for me either.
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Fantuzzi
1,428 posts
15 months
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Dan Friel
903 posts
147 months
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Suits have to be "FIA 8856-2000 or FIA 1986".
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gidzmasterflash
17 posts
79 months
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2012 Blue book page 162 says: "Acceptable standards: 9.1.1. Racing: FIA 8856-2000 9.1.2. Special Stage Rallies, Sprints and Hill Climbs: FIA 8856-2000 FIA 1986 Standard 9.1.3. Karting: As defined in U.13.3. 9.1.4. All Other Events (including overalls in accordance with Q.10.1): BS6249 part 1 Index A or B (but not part C). BSEN533 EN533:1995 Index 3 ISO 14116 FIA 8856-2000 FIA 1986 Standard." I also found that http://www.advanced-wear.co.uk/proban.html Proban suits meet BSEN533 So I believe that Proban suits are no longer ok for 2012.
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midgetmax
24 posts
75 months
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Spot on, Proban meets en533 or similar, not FIA 8856-2000. therefore you can't wear Proban suits in hill climbs etc now.
8856-2000 is the latest standard. Norme 86 is an old one, which means you can wear your mate's second hand sweaty romper suit if you want.
Just a warning about wearing old suits. Nomex never loses flame retardancy, but old suits WILL lose their efficiency because:
1. The fibres and layers compact and do not keep heat back as well as they did. Hence they would fail the heat transfer tests and you would scorch even if the suit did not burn through
2. Sweat, oil, dirt, a lifetime of use, can all support flame and/or increase heat transfer
Outwardly, the suits will be fine. I met a guy at Gurston last season who was wearing a Norme 86 suit that we manufactured 25 years ago! But for the reasons above I'd never wear an old suit, and Norme 86 has been out of manufacture for 10 years now, so will be well manky.
Just because it's cheap on eBay doesn't make it a good deal! Steer clear of them, you don't know what people have done, how they've been washed, how they've been looked after, they may have been repaired with nasty nylon thread or anything. Remember that suits aren't just to comply with the regs, they actually have to protect you from fire.
HTH
Max
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29james12
15 posts
20 months
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Correct you cannot use Proban suits anymore. Looks like you are going to have to get a new suit. You might be able to sell the old suit if it is in good condition to get some of the money back
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e21Mark
1,751 posts
42 months
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These guys made me a suit to measure. All for under £150. I had bought a cheaper suit before, from AWS, but it looked like a potato sack which had been tied us in the middle. The Jays suit, despite being a ''budget'' item, looks like many of the more expensive suits and fits really well. I also had to have an alteration done which was unexpectedly done for free and within a few days. I couldn't rate these guys highly enough. http://www.jaysracewear.co.uk/text/drivers_suits.h...
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carl_w
4,170 posts
127 months
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e21Mark said: These guys made me a suit to measure. All for under £150. I had bought a cheaper suit before, from AWS, but it looked like a potato sack which had been tied us in the middle. The Jays suit, despite being a ''budget'' item, looks like many of the more expensive suits and fits really well. I also had to have an alteration done which was unexpectedly done for free and within a few days. I couldn't rate these guys highly enough. http://www.jaysracewear.co.uk/text/drivers_suits.h...The cheapest FIA suit on there is >£500. Are you sure you don't have a Proban suit, which was OK last year but is not allowed this year? Wouldn't want you to get to Crystal Palace and be disappointed 
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e21Mark
1,751 posts
42 months
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carl_w
4,170 posts
127 months
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My dad was in a similar situation and managed to get a "last year's style" Momo one for £200.
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e21Mark
1,751 posts
42 months
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What use are Proban suits now then?
My problem is that being 6' 3'' and 22 stone no 'off the peg' suits fit me so I imagine I'm gonna get stung.
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e21Mark
1,751 posts
42 months
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Roadru77er
370 posts
64 months
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[quote=e21Mark]What use are Proban suits now then?
Can still be used for Autocross (MSA Grass Track Racing) I believe. Or non MSA stuff Autograss Stock Cars Banger etc.
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